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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: tboomer] #1140833
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This is why I love outlaw tracks.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1140834
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This is why I love outlaw tracks.


Me too Chip. Jim

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: rt66jim] #1140835
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I don't mind running on its just I don't know how the heck I'm going to with the stock front end and the drg link going through the pan... Should be fun

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: cudadoug] #1140836
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You know, ENTRY LEVEL. The class has really become Stupid STreet allowing tube frame 150+ mph cars.

Thanks for listening, I'm done!

Merry Christmas!




I cant help but feel the bullseye on my back. Ouch...All I can ad is the rules are what they are and if anyone wants to play thier game it has to be by thier rules.

As for the diapers anyone can make one work IF YOU REALLY WANT TO....We had the same issue with the Hemi and have it with the 99 hemi in the other car. They can make a diaper with heat resistant material added to those areas. But you have to WANT to do it. is it $150 bucks, nope but if you want something bad enough you will find a way to make it work...



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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1140837
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meh, i ain't real tore up about this one. i'll put a diaper on if i got to. the locking dipstick debacle- THAT chapped my heart. oh man. preposterous.


for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: maximum entropy] #1140838
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I have been running a DRE diaper on mine for the last 3 years. Mine is a chassis car, very easy to go on.


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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: Dartsport540] #1140839
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the thing i don't like is the 9.90 cars are not the problem at our track.almost all the engine falures come from from the guys with junk cars that come to the track just to test and tune or get that fast et ticket.
the weekly racers that do proper mantenance are not the problem.

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 71cuda] #1140840
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the thing i don't like is the 9.90 cars are not the problem at our track.almost all the engine falures come from from the guys with junk cars that come to the track just to test and tune or get that fast et ticket.
the weekly racers that do proper mantenance are not the problem.



what REALLY gets me are the guys (and gals) who know (or strongly suspect) that their junk is gonna blow. a couple years ago there was a racer at our track who KNEW ( they were overheard saying "i think i can get one more run out of it") it was gonna blow. well, she kicks a rod out at about the 60', AND COASTS THE LENGTH OF THE TRACK, RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. they don't race at our track anymore. can you say "lynch mob"?


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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: maximum entropy] #1140841
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we have a guy that brings a blown altered,everytime it breaks and oils the track.
we now have a test and tune class.$500.doller deposit,you get it back at the end of the day.it has cut down on the problem.
our bracket racers get one oil down a season after that it's $150.

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 71cuda] #1140842
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71cuda, that is a very reasonable solution. Which leads me to ask, is NHRA concerned more about safety, or is the conspiracy theory that they are receiving massive kickbacks from safety equipment companies true? I know of no outbreaks of oildowns in S/ST, do they have data to show that this class is responsible for a lot of downtime?

While I have no problem with Al or Chris running fast cars in S/ST, this rule is going to eliminate all but chassis and aftermarket front-end cars from the class. Which then leads one to wonder how it is any different from S/G and how long will it survive.

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 604 Hemi GTX] #1140843
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This rule i can agree with, i was planning on putting one on my bracket car.
Kevin





Anyone remember Terry wrecking his beautiful aluminum 64 Plymouth at Norwalk a couple of years ago, maybe could have been prevented if the car that ran before him had one. The belts rule has always ticked me off to no end but this rule isn't so bad........... of course, I don't own a big block A-body with underchassis headers either,lol!

Joey

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: Al_Alguire] #1140844
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You know, ENTRY LEVEL. The class has really become Stupid STreet allowing tube frame 150+ mph cars.

Thanks for listening, I'm done!

Merry Christmas!




I cant help but feel the bullseye on my back. Ouch...All I can ad is the rules are what they are and if anyone wants to play thier game it has to be by thier rules.

As for the diapers anyone can make one work IF YOU REALLY WANT TO....We had the same issue with the Hemi and have it with the 99 hemi in the other car. They can make a diaper with heat resistant material added to those areas. But you have to WANT to do it. is it $150 bucks, nope but if you want something bad enough you will find a way to make it work...






Holy crap Al...didn't mean YOU per say. You're just playing by the rules that NHRA has set forth...I get that. I blame NHRA for having their collective, overpaid heads up their...

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 71cuda] #1140845
12/22/11 09:15 PM
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Very few N/A 9 second cars oil the track. I also notice that most people who critisize those of us who complain about diapers seem to have combinations that are easy to install a diaper on.

Anyone watch the Street Machine race from Vegas last month. Pro Mod after Pro Mod oiled the track. They were required to have diapers...

Put them on power adder equipped cars if you wish but N/A cars aren't the problem!

I've also talked to a track owner who does not want the diaper rule. He said it's being rammed down his throat by the Div. 1 office.

IHRA is looking better every year!!

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the thing i don't like is the 9.90 cars are not the problem at our track.almost all the engine falures come from from the guys with junk cars that come to the track just to test and tune or get that fast et ticket.
the weekly racers that do proper mantenance are not the problem.




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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: Troublemaker427] #1140846
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Not a problem here I run at IHRA tracks.The nhra tracks that decide to adhere to the diaper ruler will be turning a bunch of street cars away every weekend.Its nothing to have a 10.90 turbo or nitrous street car.Can you imagine what a new car delership would say if they found a engine diaper on a new challenger?


If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL
Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: BradH] #1140847
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I certainly hope not... or that's going to severely restrict the # of tracks I'm going to bother to drive the MoPig to.

Gimme an I!
Gimme an H!
Gimme an R!
Gimme an A!





I stopped going to NHRA tracks several years ago. And this confirms I made the right decision. The problem isn't the normally aspirated 9 and 10 second cars that run every week. Put the rule where it is needed, not on the cars it isn't needed.

I went to a "test and tune" and the non-regular racers break all the time, causing delays. Import vs Domestic "World Race" and tons of over boosted (N20, turbo, etc) ricers wrecked and blew up so often there was more down time than race time.

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: 440Jim] #1140848
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I have a diaper...to lazy to put it in this year...


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Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: Eric] #1140849
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Hi,
does anyone have a picture of one mounted on a non chassis , regular car, where do they mount to?
just go around the oil pan? never seen one.
thanks
Russ

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: old_racer] #1140850
12/23/11 03:31 AM
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I love threads like this that bring "street car" guys and "local only" racers out to complain about NHRA. NO WHERE in the rules does it say you need a diaper unless your running an NHRA "class" or you are faster than 7.50.

NHRA "class" races are run at National and Divisional races.

The national and divisional races tend to have far more entries than most special events and local races. Therefore precautions are taken to try and keep the program running with minimum down-time.

So unless your local track or special event decide to add a diaper rule on their own, you only need to worry about it olny if you plan to run a "super" class "top" class, or "Pro" class (nitro burning, not "no-box" type pro class).

The SFI diapers are only need in the "Pro" classes, so for 90% of the fast racers, any blanket or pan will be sufficient.

As an NHRA divisional tech, I have seen the blankets and pans work well, containing a large percentage of potentially dangerous situations. NOTHING will prevent all possible incidents. I know I will have something (pan or diaper) on my next street/strip project whether it is fast enough or not.

Also, if you think the guys working the races are making "a fortune" because they have an NHRA shirt, think again, as I/they effectively volunteer their time and knowledge to help run the divisional and national races to help ensure WE have a place/venue to run at.

Scott

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: ProStDodge] #1140851
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We got a $250.00 bill from NHRA for oiling down the track at the National event @ Firebird Raceway, Phoenix running S/ST 2008..

Oil retention can save you $$$$ too..


Carry On..


Chris..

Re: NE1 else hearing that Diapers will be required on 10.99 [Re: old_racer] #1140852
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Hi,
does anyone have a picture of one mounted on a non chassis , regular car, where do they mount to?
just go around the oil pan? never seen one.
thanks
Russ



My picture is on my chassis car, but you can see how it mounts. There are 4 brackets that attach to my header bolts, and then a strap at each corner of the diaper goes through each bracket. Here is a pic of an attachment point.

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