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Standard port victor's on a 431? #1115326 11/17/11 12:26 AM 11/17/11 12:26 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 12 Oil City, Pa D Darrin Burt OP member
Darrin Burt OP member D Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 12 Oil City, Pa	What do you guys think of running standard port victors on a street/strip 431 motor? Car is a 4 speed with 4.10's 3700 lbs. Are these heads a waste of time, or would they be a good choice? Everything else on the engine is out for debate, but it has to be a 431. Thanks!

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Darrin Burt] #1115327 11/17/11 06:08 AM 11/17/11 06:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	What does Edelbrock have to say? From the specs they look to be an excellent head for a race application with less than 500 cubes. Looks to me like they will work, but will want some rpm as torque peak may come in about 4800 rpm. Last edited by gregsdart; 11/17/11 07:43 AM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: gregsdart] #1115328 11/17/11 12:48 PM 11/17/11 12:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy master
maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: What does Edelbrock have to say? From the specs they look to be an excellent head for a race application with less than 500 cubes. Looks to me like they will work, but will want some rpm as torque peak may come in about 4800 rpm. i bet it would work very nicely! for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Darrin Burt] #1115329 11/17/11 02:23 PM 11/17/11 02:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,600 Alberta Canada StrokerAspen top fuel
StrokerAspen top fuel Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,600 Alberta Canada	Quote: What do you guys think of running standard port victors on a street/strip 431 motor? Car is a 4 speed with 4.10's 3700 lbs. Are these heads a waste of time, or would they be a good choice? Everything else on the engine is out for debate, but it has to be a 431. Thanks! Hands down, an AWESOME HEAD. They out flowed 440-1's everywhere on our bench. Same guy ported both heads. -Kenny

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: StrokerAspen] #1115330 11/17/11 02:36 PM 11/17/11 02:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	You won't be disappointed! We're getting ready to do a series of BB builds for CC starting with a steel crank 400 and stealth/victor heads then going to a stroker and comparing those heads with the MW Victor and then a highend build possibly with a Koleno Block. Std. port Victors IMO are an awesome head but require alot of pushrod clearancing. Only downfall. And they really respond to a good valve job/chamber cut. Brian Brian Hafliger

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1115331 11/17/11 04:18 PM 11/17/11 04:18 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country deaks master
deaks master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country	Brian How can a head that flows as much as the Victor, not push the rpm up on a smaller none stroked motor. People refer to their suitability to small engines almost in the same vein as the RPM'S, which are more of a stock replacement. Is it because they have a broader spread of power and better low to midrange flow numbers. Mick 69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: deaks] #1115332 11/17/11 04:35 PM 11/17/11 04:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart I Live Here
gregsdart I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,011 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	I am curious too. I am willing to bet the reason they flow that well and can work with a smaller motor is the valve length, which allows a small port to flow so well. Same CSA, but a MUCH better port. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: deaks] #1115333 11/17/11 07:43 PM 11/17/11 07:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: Brian How can a head that flows as much as the Victor, not push the rpm up on a smaller none stroked motor. People refer to their suitability to small engines almost in the same vein as the RPM'S, which are more of a stock replacement. Is it because they have a broader spread of power and better low to midrange flow numbers. Mick The Victor's have a good combination of port speed, valve size, and it's a raised runner head so it has much better cylinder fill. Brian Hafliger

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1115334 11/17/11 08:15 PM 11/17/11 08:15 PM
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deaks master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country	My original thoughts were to maybe step up to the EZ's next but the more i hear about the Victors the better they sound. Mick 69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: deaks] #1115335 11/17/11 08:44 PM 11/17/11 08:44 PM
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Joshs68 pro stock J Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,472 Overland Park, KS.	how much would they raise things, say from stock to victor measuring at the top of the carb.

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Joshs68] #1115336 11/17/11 11:35 PM 11/17/11 11:35 PM
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Darrin Burt OP member D Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 12 Oil City, Pa	I would also like to know how far up my intake will be raised. I would like to build this engine with a street friendly cam ( probably a flat tappet because I have sticker shock from roller prices!) and I figure that these heads would be a better choice than the ez's because of the port size and my cubic inches. Am I nuts to think that i could make a strong running combo out of this?

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Darrin Burt] #1115337 11/18/11 02:53 AM 11/18/11 02:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,486 SoCal	Quote: I would also like to know how far up my intake will be raised. I would like to build this engine with a street friendly cam ( probably a flat tappet because I have sticker shock from roller prices!) and I figure that these heads would be a better choice than the ez's because of the port size and my cubic inches. Am I nuts to think that i could make a strong running combo out of this? Pick the right cam and you'll be super happy. I will be aiming for well over 550HP on pump gas with the 400 and a flat tappet cam. Brian Hafliger

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Darrin Burt] #1115338 11/18/11 09:58 AM 11/18/11 09:58 AM
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OhioGTX member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 151 N.E. Ohio	I have been running the std port victors on my 499 for the past 2 years. For the money they are a great deal; Performance has been as expected and the only drawback is the work required to clear the push rods. I think I spent about 3 hours with a grinder to get them where I needed them. The benefit I do not hear much about, but was really good for me is Header fitment. I am running Hooker 2" headers in a B body and the fitment was better with these heads than stock steel heads. Only 1 place I had to modify and that was done with a small pipe, block of wood and 2lb hammer. Best performance with the heads noted in my sig... 6925039-NorwalkSept2011.JPG (95 downloads) 68 GTX, 9.38 at 144, Best Machine 540..

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: OhioGTX] #1115339 11/18/11 10:44 AM 11/18/11 10:44 AM
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deaks master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country	Are you still running the R280 ? Mick 69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: deaks] #1115340 11/18/11 10:51 AM 11/18/11 10:51 AM
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OhioGTX member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 151 N.E. Ohio	Mick - yes still running a 30 year old camshaft ( literally)..it is the crane R280/670 with a set of k-motion springs..The cam is ok, but others would be faster I am sure.. 68 GTX, 9.38 at 144, Best Machine 540..

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: Darrin Burt] #1115341 11/18/11 12:24 PM 11/18/11 12:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	My only suggestion (based on nothing but opinion at this point) is to keep the runner volume small should you do any porting to the Victors on that size of an engine. FWIW, I wish I was independently wealthy and able to afford testing my 452 w/ the old Stage VIs, followed up by basically OOB Victors, followed up by my fully-ported Victors. I'd love to see where the improvements (or losses) came from w/ each change, rather than going straight from the Stage VIs to the ported Victors.

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: BradH] #1115342 11/18/11 12:35 PM 11/18/11 12:35 PM
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dragram440 super stock D Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058 bigfork mn	Quote: My only suggestion (based on nothing but opinion at this point) is to keep the runner volume small should you do any porting to the Victors on that size of an engine. FWIW, I wish I was independently wealthy and able to afford testing my 452 w/ the old Stage VIs, followed up by basically OOB Victors, followed up by my fully-ported Victors. I'd love to see where the improvements (or losses) came from w/ each change, rather than going straight from the Stage VIs to the ported Victors. I would also be interested in how the stage VI's compared to the non ported victors? 67' charger 499 RB 10.57 at 127

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: dragram440] #1115343 11/18/11 01:12 PM 11/18/11 01:12 PM
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deaks master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country	It will be interesting to see how your car performs with the new heads, as the motor is not a million miles from mine, although your stage 6's have the raised exhaust port unlike my edelbrocks. You can be the test bed, so to speak. Mick 69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: deaks] #1115344 11/18/11 02:41 PM 11/18/11 02:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: It will be interesting to see how your car performs with the new heads, as the motor is not a million miles from mine, although your stage 6's have the raised exhaust port unlike my edelbrocks. You can be the test bed, so to speak. Mick Was this response directed to me?

Re: Standard port victor's on a 431? [Re: BradH] #1115345 11/18/11 02:43 PM 11/18/11 02:43 PM
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deaks master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 3,210 robin hood country	Yes 69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200# best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft best 60ft 1.36

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