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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: scatpacktom]
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I went from a 8 3/4 with sure grip to a Dana with a spool and only gained 30 pounds.
-Dustin
67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi
68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: Triple Threat]
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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.
Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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As a side note the Dana is a more efficient axle. The ET difference is small.
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1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
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1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: sixpackbee]
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09/14/11 03:57 PM
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As a side note the Dana is a more efficient axle. The ET difference is small.
I went from a 4.30 geared 8 3/4 to a 4.10 geared Strange S-60 and got quicker. This a pump gas stroked small block street/strip car. Real race cars may have different results.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: jim sciortino]
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09/14/11 04:47 PM
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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.
Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: OA5599]
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45# at the most...Dana is peace of mind...install it and don't worry about it again.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: mokid]
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09/14/11 06:40 PM
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Your right on that one, I wish I would have went to a 9inch but wanted to stick with all mopar. Big mistake
Just trying to help guys see the big picture, who cares who makes it?
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.
Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!
Agree 100%. 
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: mokid]
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09/14/11 06:56 PM
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Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way
When was the last time you changed gears at the track...
I've got a 8 3/4 in the P-Body and a 9" in the Rampage
and I've NEVER changed gears at the track
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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09/14/11 07:49 PM
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Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way
When was the last time you changed gears at the track...
I've got a 8 3/4 in the P-Body and a 9" in the Rampage
and I've NEVER changed gears at the track
Sure would be nice to be able to, if you hurt a rearend on a Fri at a 3 day race.
I know I have more than once in my dragsters.
I have ran 2 different gear sets during TNT.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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09/14/11 09:59 PM
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 This is a Dana I finished tonight. Everything new except the housing - A body width. Posi, green bearings, 35 spline dr. diff axles, 11" brake setup etc. As pictured with perches and lines but no fluid was - 240lbs Sorry, but no 8-3/4 to compare to. Last year I put Wilwoods on my Dana and lost 45 lbs, so getting under 200 no problem.
68' Barracuda (4 speed)
64' Savoy (4 speed)
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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09/14/11 10:06 PM
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"Why would you want to run a heavy dana 60 that have few aftermarket parts made for them with limited gear ratios?"
Heavy??
Few aftermarket parts??
Limited gear ratios??
A NEW Dana 60 weighs about the same, costs less, and is MORE EFFICIENT than a COMPARABLE 9".
Commonly available Dana 60 gear ratios:
3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.90, 4.09, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, 5.38, 5.86, 6.17, 6.50, 7.17
Commonly available Dana 60 spools:
35 spline
40 spline
Commonly available Dana 60 traction differentials:
30 spline
35 spline
40 spline
As far as I know, there are only 3 35 spline traction differentials available for a 9" and NO 40 spline units.
Unless you are talking about light duty 28 spline street/cirle track gears, few ratios are available for "big pinion" 9" and 9.5" rears.
Dana 60s are very strong street/strip rears. Once again, application is everything.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: 68shifter]
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09/14/11 10:09 PM
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This is a Dana I finished tonight. Everything new except the housing - A body width. Posi, green bearings, 35 spline dr. diff axles, 11" brake setup etc. As pictured with perches and lines but no fluid was - 240lbs
Sorry, but no 8-3/4 to compare to. Last year I put Wilwoods on my Dana and lost 45 lbs, so getting under 200 no problem.
Do you have a P/N for the Y block/vent... I still
need to put one on my diff
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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09/14/11 10:11 PM
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I dont on me. But its for a 76 Powerwagon front axle 4wd. Any advance etc for $18, usually a day to get.
PN - 77171Z from autozones website. They list it as an inner. Should be a Dorman number
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64' Savoy (4 speed)
65' Satellite (girl tranny)
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: 68shifter]
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Mr. P
I dont on me. But its for a 76 Powerwagon front axle 4wd. Any advance etc for $18, usually a day to get.
Thanks... I'll hit the parts store tomorrow
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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As I weighed my aluminum center A body 8.75 with a steel spool to a Ford truck Dana housing, bare, unshortened there was a 50 pound difference. No brakes on either one but the Dana housing did still have the full floating ends on it. If I had it to do over again I'd have a Dana in my car. With a pro gear I'd probably never break it and if I have to do major work at a track, I'm taking it home. Breaking something at the track is one thing but I've driven a lot of miles just to red light in the first round so what's the big deal, I can't fix the red light. If it's something simple I'll fix it, if it's major it's not going to be a permanent repair at the track anyway so it's just going home. Might just as well drink a few beers and watch the rest of you for awhile. 
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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09/14/11 10:37 PM
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As I weighed my aluminum center A body 8.75 with a steel spool to a Ford truck Dana housing, bare, unshortened there was a 50 pound difference. No brakes on either one but the Dana housing did still have the full floating ends on it. If I had it to do over again I'd have a Dana in my car. With a pro gear I'd probably never break it and if I have to do major work at a track, I'm taking it home. Breaking something at the track is one thing but I've driven a lot of miles just to red light in the first round so what's the big deal, I can't fix the red light. If it's something simple I'll fix it, if it's major it's not going to be a permanent repair at the track anyway so it's just going home. Might just as well drink a few beers and watch the rest of you for awhile.
I have a alum center 8 3/4 with back brace, steel
spool,narrowed and disc brakes.... I never did weigh
it but its alot light than the dana I narrowed for
a buddies car... basically the same set up
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: DoctorDiff]
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09/15/11 09:29 AM
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Heavy??
Few aftermarket parts??
Limited gear ratios??
A NEW Dana 60 weighs about the same, costs less, and is MORE EFFICIENT than a COMPARABLE 9".
Commonly available Dana 60 gear ratios:
3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.90, 4.09, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, 5.38, 5.86, 6.17, 6.50, 7.17
Commonly available Dana 60 spools:
35 spline
40 spline
Commonly available Dana 60 traction differentials:
30 spline
35 spline
40 spline
As far as I know, there are only 3 35 spline traction differentials available for a 9" and NO 40 spline units.
Unless you are talking about light duty 28 spline street/cirle track gears, few ratios are available for "big pinion" 9" and 9.5" rears.
Dana 60s are very strong street/strip rears. Once again, application is everything.
The Dr is 'in'.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: 340B5]
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i've broken an 8 3/4. i've broken a 9". i put a dana in, and it runs EXACTLY the same et. exactly. mr dana laughs at my attempts to hurt him. i recommend the dana. get close on your gear ratio, and fine tune using tire diameter (how you should be doing it anyway).
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: WheelsUp73]
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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.
Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!
Agree 100%.
You lost me. It's primarily a street car that sees track 3 or 4 times a year. Also, I understand why some of you recommend a 9", but the Dana is bought and paid for. 35 spline with power lock and a 4.10. No desire to gear swap...just bought it so I would get more sleep the night before raceday. Thanks for all of the responses. We will weigh both and post numbers when it comes time to do the swap.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: OA5599]
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For a A body why not just run the 8 3/4? I have a 8 3/4 in my B body seems to work good! 35 spline axles, spool, m/w cap and back braced.  Iknow the thread says whats the weight difference! 
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: dragram440]
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and the debate goes on, 8 3/4 is a very strong carrier, if set up right. a dana does weigh more thats a fact , but the hp it gains far outwieghs that issue, i have run both, and have realy picked up et by going with a dana, gear for gear change. i cant say nothin for 9" i figure they belong to ford, so i leave them there
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: dennismopar73]
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I've heard of Mopar Stock racers do the comparison, compensated for the weight so the car maintained the same total weight, and the car ran the same! The ring & pinion relationship in the housing is more efficient in a Dana 60. Personally, I think the "unsprung weight" issue has been overblown in drag racing involving most cars. While I'm sure it's a factor, the "action" of that weight is minimal during a drag strip run when compared to a circle track or road course car where suspension movement is constant as well as constantly variable. But the faster you go on a drag strip, the more important it does become as small surface imperfections have to be compensated for quickly - i.e.: Pro Stock, Funny Car, Top Fuel, etc. The unsprung weight of wheels and tires is a different situation and more important. That weight is not only unsprung, but it is rotating weight with a lot of it a good distance from the center of rotation, similar to the rotation of a crankshaft and its counterweights.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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didn't John Friel SS/AA Dart run with a chevy 12 bolt because it was lighter?
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
[Re: sixpacksteve]
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didn't John Friel SS/AA Dart run with a chevy 12 bolt because it was lighter?
I believe another SS/AA racer may have run one years ago. Jim Kinnett?
The 12 bolt is the, or one of the, most efficient rears out there. Doesn't someone make a Ford 9" center section that accepts 12 bolt gears?
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Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?
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I have seen the 9" custom carrier that runs 60 gears, both straight cut and high pinion. Its an offroader thing. I am putting dana 70 gears in my 60 housing with a power lock, now that is heavy! Quote:
DeFrank & Cohen SS/AA car ran a 12 Bolt. That was in the mid 70s.
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It also depends on which Dana 60 housing your going to use 
Planning and prepartion is everything when it comes to racing and changing parts at the track 
