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8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference?

Posted By: OA5599

8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 05:10 PM

All things being equal, does anyone know the weight of a complete assembled 8 3/4, and the weight of a Dana? Doing the swap this winter, and wondered what kind of weight gain I am looking at.

Thanks
Posted By: scatpacktom

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 05:59 PM

60lbs
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:17 PM

I went from a 8 3/4 with sure grip to a Dana with a spool and only gained 30 pounds.
Posted By: 340B5

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:35 PM

30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:39 PM

30 pounds is a ton on a race car, a ton.
Posted By: ZIPPY

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:42 PM

Some of the weight difference can be diminished by changing a few components. 10" drums instead of 11" were worth 20-something. Then there's always other places...spool instead of a diff, drag discs instead of drums, stamped aluminum cover instead of cast, and so on
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:46 PM

It depends on which parts in each one, if you are using the same brakes and a posi unit versus a spool the weight differences could be as small as 20 lbs, if your going from a A body 8 3/4 with a spool to a Dana 60 with B body brakes and a posi it will be more It also depends on which Dana 60 housing your going to use
Posted By: sixpackbee

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:55 PM

As a side note the Dana is a more efficient axle. The ET difference is small.
Posted By: fishy340

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 06:56 PM

honest true story here! my back has been wrecked for 3 months because of a dana!!!!! i'd say 50 to 70lbs diff between that and my bullet proof 8 3/4...the pain down my leg reminds me of DANA~!
Posted By: Triple Threat

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 07:17 PM

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30 pounds is a ton on a race car, a ton.




IF we're talking street strip cars that bracket race like mine and the OP's, 30# aint much. The stereo components I just removed from my car weighed 90#.

But you are correct, 30# on a heads up dedicated race car such as your TAD is a bunch.
Posted By: justinp61

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 07:57 PM

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As a side note the Dana is a more efficient axle. The ET difference is small.




I went from a 4.30 geared 8 3/4 to a 4.10 geared Strange S-60 and got quicker. This a pump gas stroked small block street/strip car. Real race cars may have different results.
Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 08:04 PM

Do the Dana....

You get a stronger, more efficient rear and if weight is a big issue, gundrilled and scalloped axles with titanium studs, lightened gear and spool, lightweight brakes and cover.
Posted By: Stanton

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 08:47 PM

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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.




Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 09:57 PM

If your gonna take out a 8 3/4, then invest in a 9" and have a more modern race car with plenty of gear ratios available.

Why would you want to run a heavy dana 60 that have few aftermarket parts made for them with limited gear ratios?? Why?
Posted By: Chris2581

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:17 PM

45# at the most...Dana is peace of mind...install it and don't worry about it again.
Posted By: mokid

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:35 PM

Your right on that one, I wish I would have went to a 9inch but wanted to stick with all mopar. Big mistake
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:40 PM

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Your right on that one, I wish I would have went to a 9inch but wanted to stick with all mopar. Big mistake




Just trying to help guys see the big picture, who cares who makes it?
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:41 PM

My Dana 60 ended up 15 lbs. lighter than the 8 3/4".

Mark Williams 40 spline gun-drilled axles, aluminum spool, and Aerospace discs in place
of the 11" x 3" drums. The brakes was the big savings.(45 lbs. lighter)

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Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:42 PM



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Posted By: WheelsUp73

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:42 PM

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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.




Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!




Agree 100%.
Posted By: S/ST 3040

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:43 PM



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Posted By: mokid

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:44 PM

Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 10:56 PM

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Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way




When was the last time you changed gears at the track...
I've got a 8 3/4 in the P-Body and a 9" in the Rampage
and I've NEVER changed gears at the track
Posted By: Challenger 1

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/14/11 11:49 PM

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Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way




When was the last time you changed gears at the track...
I've got a 8 3/4 in the P-Body and a 9" in the Rampage
and I've NEVER changed gears at the track





Sure would be nice to be able to, if you hurt a rearend on a Fri at a 3 day race.
I know I have more than once in my dragsters.
I have ran 2 different gear sets during TNT.
Posted By: 68shifter

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 01:59 AM



This is a Dana I finished tonight. Everything new except the housing - A body width. Posi, green bearings, 35 spline dr. diff axles, 11" brake setup etc. As pictured with perches and lines but no fluid was - 240lbs
Sorry, but no 8-3/4 to compare to. Last year I put Wilwoods on my Dana and lost 45 lbs, so getting under 200 no problem.
Posted By: moparniac

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:06 AM

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My Dana 60 ended up 15 lbs. lighter than the 8 3/4".

Mark Williams 40 spline gun-drilled axles, aluminum spool, and Aerospace discs in place
of the 11" x 3" drums. The brakes was the big savings.(45 lbs. lighter)




My dana was lighter also! drums to strange discs! housing smaller / smaller axels... spool
Posted By: DoctorDiff

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:06 AM

"Why would you want to run a heavy dana 60 that have few aftermarket parts made for them with limited gear ratios?"

Heavy??
Few aftermarket parts??
Limited gear ratios??

A NEW Dana 60 weighs about the same, costs less, and is MORE EFFICIENT than a COMPARABLE 9".

Commonly available Dana 60 gear ratios:

3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.90, 4.09, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, 5.38, 5.86, 6.17, 6.50, 7.17

Commonly available Dana 60 spools:

35 spline
40 spline

Commonly available Dana 60 traction differentials:

30 spline
35 spline
40 spline

As far as I know, there are only 3 35 spline traction differentials available for a 9" and NO 40 spline units.

Unless you are talking about light duty 28 spline street/cirle track gears, few ratios are available for "big pinion" 9" and 9.5" rears.

Dana 60s are very strong street/strip rears. Once again, application is everything.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:09 AM

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This is a Dana I finished tonight. Everything new except the housing - A body width. Posi, green bearings, 35 spline dr. diff axles, 11" brake setup etc. As pictured with perches and lines but no fluid was - 240lbs
Sorry, but no 8-3/4 to compare to. Last year I put Wilwoods on my Dana and lost 45 lbs, so getting under 200 no problem.




Do you have a P/N for the Y block/vent... I still
need to put one on my diff
Posted By: 68shifter

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:11 AM

Mr. P
I dont on me. But its for a 76 Powerwagon front axle 4wd. Any advance etc for $18, usually a day to get.

PN - 77171Z from autozones website. They list it as an inner. Should be a Dorman number
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:16 AM

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Mr. P
I dont on me. But its for a 76 Powerwagon front axle 4wd. Any advance etc for $18, usually a day to get.




Thanks... I'll hit the parts store tomorrow
Posted By: Guitar Jones

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:23 AM

As I weighed my aluminum center A body 8.75 with a steel spool to a Ford truck Dana housing, bare, unshortened there was a 50 pound difference. No brakes on either one but the Dana housing did still have the full floating ends on it. If I had it to do over again I'd have a Dana in my car. With a pro gear I'd probably never break it and if I have to do major work at a track, I'm taking it home. Breaking something at the track is one thing but I've driven a lot of miles just to red light in the first round so what's the big deal, I can't fix the red light. If it's something simple I'll fix it, if it's major it's not going to be a permanent repair at the track anyway so it's just going home. Might just as well drink a few beers and watch the rest of you for awhile.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:37 AM

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As I weighed my aluminum center A body 8.75 with a steel spool to a Ford truck Dana housing, bare, unshortened there was a 50 pound difference. No brakes on either one but the Dana housing did still have the full floating ends on it. If I had it to do over again I'd have a Dana in my car. With a pro gear I'd probably never break it and if I have to do major work at a track, I'm taking it home. Breaking something at the track is one thing but I've driven a lot of miles just to red light in the first round so what's the big deal, I can't fix the red light. If it's something simple I'll fix it, if it's major it's not going to be a permanent repair at the track anyway so it's just going home. Might just as well drink a few beers and watch the rest of you for awhile.




I have a alum center 8 3/4 with back brace, steel
spool,narrowed and disc brakes.... I never did weigh
it but its alot light than the dana I narrowed for
a buddies car... basically the same set up

Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:55 AM

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Same set up I have in my Barracuda, But I still can't change gears at the track. 9 inch all the way




When was the last time you changed gears at the track...
I've got a 8 3/4 in the P-Body and a 9" in the Rampage
and I've NEVER changed gears at the track





Sure would be nice to be able to, if you hurt a rearend on a Fri at a 3 day race.
I know I have more than once in my dragsters.
I have ran 2 different gear sets during TNT.


I have seen many Mopar racers that had Dana 60 in thier race cars change gear ratio at the track in 20 minutes They had set the spool up with the ring and pinion set up for that housing and had it done in as quick as I could change the third member in my 8 3/4 Planning and prepartion is everything when it comes to racing and changing parts at the track When it comes to costs of spare rear end parts I much rather have a Dana 60 ring and pinion mounted on a spool all set up than have a Nine inch Ford type third member set up and ready to go, $350 to $500.00 for the Dana parts versus $1300.00 + for the nine inch race third member
Posted By: Moparmal

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 01:29 PM

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Heavy??
Few aftermarket parts??
Limited gear ratios??

A NEW Dana 60 weighs about the same, costs less, and is MORE EFFICIENT than a COMPARABLE 9".

Commonly available Dana 60 gear ratios:

3.54, 3.55, 3.73, 3.90, 4.09, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, 5.38, 5.86, 6.17, 6.50, 7.17

Commonly available Dana 60 spools:

35 spline
40 spline

Commonly available Dana 60 traction differentials:

30 spline
35 spline
40 spline

As far as I know, there are only 3 35 spline traction differentials available for a 9" and NO 40 spline units.

Unless you are talking about light duty 28 spline street/cirle track gears, few ratios are available for "big pinion" 9" and 9.5" rears.

Dana 60s are very strong street/strip rears. Once again, application is everything.




The Dr is 'in'.
Posted By: 340B5

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 02:59 PM

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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.




Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!




Agree 100%.




That's what adjustable shocks are for.
Posted By: maximum entropy

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 07:27 PM

i've broken an 8 3/4. i've broken a 9". i put a dana in, and it runs EXACTLY the same et. exactly. mr dana laughs at my attempts to hurt him. i recommend the dana. get close on your gear ratio, and fine tune using tire diameter (how you should be doing it anyway).
Posted By: OA5599

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 09:30 PM

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30 lbs-60 lbs right over the wheels where ya need it.




Not when its "unsprung" weight !!!




Agree 100%.




You lost me. It's primarily a street car that sees track 3 or 4 times a year. Also, I understand why some of you recommend a 9", but the Dana is bought and paid for. 35 spline with power lock and a 4.10. No desire to gear swap...just bought it so I would get more sleep the night before raceday. Thanks for all of the responses. We will weigh both and post numbers when it comes time to do the swap.

Posted By: dragram440

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 10:22 PM

For a A body why not just run the 8 3/4? I have a 8 3/4 in my B body seems to work good! 35 spline axles, spool, m/w cap and back braced. Iknow the thread says whats the weight difference!
Posted By: dennismopar73

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/15/11 11:40 PM

and the debate goes on,
8 3/4 is a very strong carrier, if set up right.
a dana does weigh more thats a fact , but the hp it gains far outwieghs that issue,
i have run both, and have realy picked up et by going with a dana, gear for gear change.
i cant say nothin for 9" i figure they belong to ford, so i leave them there
Posted By: Locomotion

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/16/11 12:37 AM

I've heard of Mopar Stock racers do the comparison, compensated for the weight so the car maintained the same total weight, and the car ran the same! The ring & pinion relationship in the housing is more efficient in a Dana 60.

Personally, I think the "unsprung weight" issue has been overblown in drag racing involving most cars. While I'm sure it's a factor, the "action" of that weight is minimal during a drag strip run when compared to a circle track or road course car where suspension movement is constant as well as constantly variable. But the faster you go on a drag strip, the more important it does become as small surface imperfections have to be compensated for quickly - i.e.: Pro Stock, Funny Car, Top Fuel, etc.

The unsprung weight of wheels and tires is a different situation and more important. That weight is not only unsprung, but it is rotating weight with a lot of it a good distance from the center of rotation, similar to the rotation of a crankshaft and its counterweights.
Posted By: sixpacksteve

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/16/11 11:32 AM

didn't John Friel SS/AA Dart run with a chevy 12 bolt because it was lighter?
Posted By: Locomotion

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/16/11 05:04 PM

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didn't John Friel SS/AA Dart run with a chevy 12 bolt because it was lighter?




I believe another SS/AA racer may have run one years ago. Jim Kinnett?

The 12 bolt is the, or one of the, most efficient rears out there. Doesn't someone make a Ford 9" center section that accepts 12 bolt gears?
Posted By: Darryls-Demon

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/16/11 11:47 PM

DeFrank & Cohen SS/AA car ran a 12 Bolt. That was in the mid 70s.
Posted By: astjp2

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/17/11 08:47 AM

I have seen the 9" custom carrier that runs 60 gears, both straight cut and high pinion. Its an offroader thing.

I am putting dana 70 gears in my 60 housing with a power lock, now that is heavy!

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DeFrank & Cohen SS/AA car ran a 12 Bolt. That was in the mid 70s.


Posted By: astjp2

Re: 8 3/4 vs Dana 60 weight difference? - 09/17/11 08:55 AM

Ok for you guys that want the ultimate axle, hybrid dana 60 crossed with a 9", it rund the 60 gears in a 9" housing.

http://www.jratoffroad.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=49

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