E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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Which fuel is the most cost effective and provides the most bang for the buck as far as horse power vs cost this is taking all things into concideration like carb's, fuel systems, maintenance, fuel cost and anything I may be forgetting.
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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Alcohol is hard to beat!!! Its cheap you can buy it anywhere,your engine will run cooler.I'm almost sure it makes the most power of the three. And if you need a little extra boost VP M5 will give you that.
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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Alcohol is hard to beat!!! Its cheap you can buy it anywhere,your engine will run cooler.I'm almost sure it makes the most power of the three. And if you need a little extra boost VP M5 will give you that.
Although you have to add in the cost of plugs (if you are wanting to read them each weekend) and oil every so many runs.
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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Alcohol is hard to beat!!! Its cheap you can buy it anywhere,your engine will run cooler.I'm almost sure it makes the most power of the three. And if you need a little extra boost VP M5 will give you that.
Although you have to add in the cost of plugs (if you are wanting to read them each weekend) and oil every so many runs.
Ok this is what I am talking about....keep em' coming.
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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We run alcohol, two cars with Flying Toilets on them. The our maintnence is no different than running gas. No extra plug changes, and oil is changed on the same frequency as when we ran gas. I don't see any negatives to running alcohol, unless winning rounds is a bad thing... Curtis
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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I use a lot of heat to keep the oil clear on methanol, warm to 200+ before shut down and be sure and crank it with ignition on/fuel off to fire what drips out of the lines. Plugs, once checked, I go to the hotest one and tune by that to stay a tad rich, then I only need to check one plug if I make a tuning change. Oil pan heater, or similar warming device will save fuel. Methanol is definitely the most powerful of the three, having more torque in the lower rpm ranges. I believe the differance is e85 is 2 percent better than gas, methanol about 2 percent better than e85, M5 by VP is faster yet but costly!
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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I have run race gas, methanol, and E85 ethanol. In many ways E85 is in between the other fuels: - More torque than gas, not as much as methanol - Runs cooler than gas, not as cool as methanol - Uses more fuel than gas (~30%), but much less than methanol - Changes ET less with weather than gas, but methanol may be slightly better. But all have been predictable for dial-in - Less corrosive than methanol - Less likely to milk the oil than methanol (but properly setup and operated is no problem with methanol) The main reason I have been running E85 for 4 years is it saves money. Because you use so much methanol per run, the cost per run is higher than E85. And race gas is way, way more expensive than both, even though you burn less per run. E85 was saving me $7 per day compared to methanol, and about $15 per day compared to race gas (110, forget 112 or 114 !) This year E85 is more expensive than previous years, but it still saves about $4/day compared to methanol. A great fuel saver when running mechanical injection, is a pump gas primer/warm up system like Ron's "primer plus" http://killerrons.com
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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thanks guys, interesting info,,I am thinking about switching for next year as my winter upgrade, I have a 8082 dominator 2 circuit that I can have converted to E85 or Alky so I don't mess with my gas carb which seems to be working great.....keep them coming
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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I run Methanol. I like everything about it but the fumes.
Ya but it kills the bugs!
Dartman, that is the best thing to do. Keep your tried and true gas carb and send the other out for conversion. I highly recommend George Rupert if you go alky. Just to follow up on Jim's fuel consumption, he was using constant flow injection. Switching from gas carb to an alky carb you will use about 25% more on raceday.
My Dart runs 5.2x/8.2x and uses approx. 1gal for 1/8mile pass including all warmups, driving up and back, etc. 1/4mile uses approx. 1.5gal. With a Rupert 1250cfm. Injection will double your fuel consumption.
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Re: E85, Alcohol, Or Racing gas..
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MegaDart you are right about the injection it does use a little more. That was also some great advice on having someone who knows what they are doing set his carb. up. M5 is $270.00 & M1 is $170.00 per drum,the M5 will not only boost you power but will bring tears to everyone eyes around your car.
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