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Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: ahy] #1059509 08/22/11 10:39 PM 08/22/11 10:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	I'll trade you my 360 cu. in. rotating assembly for your 408 cu in rotating assembly. you keep your block, heads, cam, etc. and I'll keep my block heads and cam (magnum vs presumably, an LA based build on your end?) you'll get streetability of a stock stroke engine, I get a 408. win-win!!! (my 360 magnum is fresh, zero miles) Photobucket sucks

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059510 08/22/11 11:15 PM 08/22/11 11:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND 69Cuda340S master
69Cuda340S master Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,333 MARYLAND	While my 414 has a real rough idle it is smoother and quieter when cruising due to being balanced and a properly matched combo. I also run a 2500 stall converter and it does not need more than that. Go back to stock stroke? Not me. I would cam your stroker for street manners if that is what you want. Then you will have the torque of a stroker with the mild manners you are seeking. For a street car a stroker is the way to go. Torque to get that heavy car off the line without the need for big gears, big converters, or big cams.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059511 08/23/11 02:56 AM 08/23/11 02:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,002 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,002 Oregon	Just put a smaller cam in it and maybe a smaller carb. We used a small roller cam in Tim's 427 small block with a 650 Holley carb. Sure it gave up some top end power, but it idles smooth at 800 rpm and still rips the snot out ya when you stomp on it. The cam I used was about 20 degrees smaller than what the internet experts suggested. The carb was also a ton smaller than what people recommended. I knew that if I followed the normal advice I'd end up with a lumpy, peaky motor that fouled plugs and wasn't any fun to drive.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: AndyF] #1059512 08/23/11 08:10 AM 08/23/11 08:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,554 Maryland wally426ci OP master
wally426ci OP master Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,554 Maryland	It definitely helps me to get feedback from everyone. I will openly take recommendations on cam specs here. I went from a Racer brown cam to a Comp cam. I hear good things about Lunati. I like the sound of keeping my existing parts for the most part.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsi [Re: stumpy] #1059513 08/23/11 08:12 AM 08/23/11 08:12 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,322 Michigan C crlush pro stock
crlush pro stock C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,322 Michigan	Quote: Recam and detune the stroker. Unless you are running huge compression it's just a bigger cube engine in the long run.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059514 08/23/11 09:00 AM 08/23/11 09:00 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee R rbstroker super stock
rbstroker super stock R Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee	I have the same issue with my 496" RB stroker. It was a ball at first but really a PITA to cruise in. I changed the headers back to manifolds, de-cammed, took off the 6 pack in favor of a 750 vacuum carb setup on a TM7, replaced the tach drive distributor with a stock vacuum advance unit, pulled the 727 and 3800 convertor in favor of a 4 speed, and replaced the 4.10 with a 3.23. It is a lot more pleasureable now, but I think that I should still change the big valve heads and TM7 out this winter. The "street race" performance has take a major hit, but I haven't honestly had a real street race in 40 years or so.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059515 08/23/11 02:22 PM 08/23/11 02:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: It definitely helps me to get feedback from everyone. I will openly take recommendations on cam specs here. I went from a Racer brown cam to a Comp cam. I hear good things about Lunati. I like the sound of keeping my existing parts for the most part. I think you need to state exactly what cam you have now to use as a benchmarks of what you don't want. Still, this is all assuming the car has some decent tune right now. And that it's the cam that's making it rough as opposed to a bad tune, bad part, or something that needs to be repaired.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: autoxcuda] #1059516 08/23/11 05:46 PM 08/23/11 05:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,883 Northern OH R rapom top fuel
rapom top fuel R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,883 Northern OH	Jeff Patterson built me a nice mild 408 stroker (.484 lift) for my 68 Charger. It is the wifes car so it had to be street friendly. I run A/C, and Power Steering, a nice street friendly edelbrock 800 and it only has a 2.94 gear. I took it to the track once and got a 13.28 out of it. I think it would run a 12.90 if I worked at it. Starts up nice in the cold and doesn't have a rich exhaust smell. Drove it up to the Woodword Dream cruise from Ohio and at 70mph, it was at a reasonable rpm. Keep your engine and change the cam and a few other things and you will enjoy the torque.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059517 08/23/11 05:51 PM 08/23/11 05:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,060 Pendleton NY T terzmo top fuel
terzmo top fuel T Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,060 Pendleton NY	if You do the math on gas mileage alone, You aren't saving much and what's the recovery cost down sizing to a "PUTTER". I had a 498 stroker and it lumped at lights but pulled away without hesitation and NEVER lost a street drag to anything. I'm kicking Myself for getting rid of it. My 2 cents on life and old hot cars is " if it looks good;it BETTER haul ass" 318 is a nice dependable motor but a boat anchor for drags. (that should open up another topic) SO...My next car will not have a 498 stroker.....512 is on the horrizon......hmmmm....can You say "neck snap"...lol

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: rapom] #1059518 08/23/11 06:31 PM 08/23/11 06:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,814 Connecticut FurryStump master
FurryStump master Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,814 Connecticut	Quote: Jeff Patterson built me a nice mild 408 stroker (.484 lift) for my 68 Charger. It is the wifes car so it had to be street friendly. I run A/C, and Power Steering, a nice street friendly edelbrock 800 and it only has a 2.94 gear. I took it to the track once and got a 13.28 out of it. I think it would run a 12.90 if I worked at it. Starts up nice in the cold and doesn't have a rich exhaust smell. Drove it up to the Woodword Dream cruise from Ohio and at 70mph, it was at a reasonable rpm. Keep your engine and change the cam and a few other things and you will enjoy the torque. Just put in a soild lifter cam from him, very happy,very nice guy best of 11.39 at 117 mph 1.60 60’. 68 340 S Barracuda Fastback F.A.S.T [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/2mnnnnt.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: FurryStump] #1059519 08/24/11 11:06 AM 08/24/11 11:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,610 Not2farfromNashville, TN R Rug_Trucker I Live Here
Rug_Trucker I Live Here R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,610 Not2farfromNashville, TN	Maybe you just need a real good tune on it. Maybe pitch that 750 for a better design. Never read about anyone happy with them. 800AVS? "The only thing to do for triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" "NUNQUAM NON PARATUS!"

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: Rug_Trucker] #1059520 08/25/11 12:28 AM 08/25/11 12:28 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 464 KY B b5a12bee mopar
b5a12bee mopar B Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 464 KY	I love my 408, it has a small hydrolic roller cam with indy max heads with 3.73 gears. Runs very strong and very street frienly.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: b5a12bee] #1059521 08/25/11 11:52 AM 08/25/11 11:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI patrick I Live Here
patrick I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,123 Grand Haven, MI	yeah, most people suggest too much duration for a stroker that is going to be used on the street, IMHO dump the 750 eddie, I'd go with an 800 eddie, or a demonsizzler built t-quad. I know on my 360, I gained a ton of drivability and 2" of idle vaccuum switching from the 750 eddie to a 600. there's a lot of info on the web of people never getting the 750 to run good...sounds like there's a flaw in the design of the internal passages of that carb intake, Eddie RPM or air gap for a square bore carb, probably a eddie LD340 modded for the t-quad, if you can't find one, probably a weiand action plus, or maybe an M1 single plane (hard to find good spead bore mopar intakes) for a cam, I'd use the lunati voodoo 60403 if you want to stick to a flat tappet. fresh heads, a good 5 angle VJ, maybe some home porting opening up the bowls and pushrod pinch should have a very strong, yet mellow engine that should idle at 800 RPM with probably 14" vaccuum Last edited by patrick; 08/25/11 11:54 AM. 1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod SOLD!* 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: patrick] #1059522 08/26/11 12:44 AM 08/26/11 12:44 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 159 Woodward, PA 7 75DART440 member
75DART440 member 7 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 159 Woodward, PA	Stick a stock 318 back in!! I am willing to trade you 2 for your stroker, even up. And I will deliver!!! Buy a Hybrid!! I need your gas!!! Currently spending $1,000 a month to feed the Hemis!! Looking for that elusive CHEAP 71-72 Plymouth B-body 2 door OR 71-72 Coronet 4 door!!!

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: 75DART440] #1059523 08/26/11 11:53 AM 08/26/11 11:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,554 Maryland wally426ci OP master
wally426ci OP master Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,554 Maryland	Too funny. I am years away from taking it off the road as our 2nd daughter is due in October. I am leaning toward downsizing the carb, changing heads, cam, converter. Right now I am running a 68 340 cast iron intake.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059524 08/26/11 10:50 PM 08/26/11 10:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 181 Kansas M Menzaero member
Menzaero member M Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 181 Kansas	Keep the stroker - I have a mild 418 in my Dart with good performance and 14 to 15 MPG if I keep my foot out of it crusing around town. 10.1 CR (Ross 16cc Dish Pistons) 800 AVS Edelbrock on a Performer RPM X-Heads (69.3cc) and stock exhaust XE 274H Comp Cam (230/236 - .488/.491) 3:55 Gear Here is a Youtube link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrKBbVmQVf0

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: wally426ci] #1059525 08/26/11 11:41 PM 08/26/11 11:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	Quote: Too funny. I am years away from taking it off the road as our 2nd daughter is due in October. I am leaning toward downsizing the carb, changing heads, cam, converter. Right now I am running a 68 340 cast iron intake. I'm just curious... what is the issue with the heads? What's the benefit of changing?

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: ahy] #1059526 08/27/11 01:47 AM 08/27/11 01:47 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: I'm just curious... what is the issue with the heads? What's the benefit of changing? I want to know as well. Heads won't make that much difference on the final driveability you seek. I agree with everyone else, you need to pick a proper cam, install and degree it and you should be fine. I drove my 440 car everywhere before I pulled it apart and it was no problem.

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1059527 08/27/11 01:51 AM 08/27/11 01:51 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 233 vashon island washington hunterstroble enthusiast
hunterstroble enthusiast Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 233 vashon island washington	What about fuel injecting it? Just a thought. 1969 Dodge dart 500 stroker 1973 Dodge Challenger 440

Re: Getting sick of the stroker - question about downsize [Re: hunterstroble] #1059528 08/27/11 04:19 AM 08/27/11 04:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada B Barnabas_Kriss master
Barnabas_Kriss master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada	Did you consider swapping to a late model hemi (5.7/6.1)? You would get EFI and excellent driveability, as well as good mileage. As a bonus, with the 6.1 you would get the same or more power! It will bolt right in with readily available parts. I've done it, no regrets!

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