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engine and tranny install #1053244 08/15/11 02:06 AM 08/15/11 02:06 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 47 California D Drip OP member
Drip OP member D Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 47 California	I am about to install a 727 and 440 in my 69 B body. what is the easiest whay to do it. I will not be able to bring it from the bottom on the K member. Do i drop in the engine from the top then bolt up the tranny from under the car, or do i put the engine and tranny together outside the car and drop them as a unit from the top. thanks Last edited by Drip; 08/15/11 02:08 AM.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Drip] #1053245 08/15/11 03:02 AM 08/15/11 03:02 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot
MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation	Probably simpler putting the trans in the car first(attaching it to the trans X-member then blocking the front of the trans up) ... THAN trying to put it in as a combo.... ESPECIALLY if this is your first time.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: MasterDeBaTeR !] #1053246 08/15/11 04:19 AM 08/15/11 04:19 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	?????? I prefer to install them together. The trans is SO much easier to bolt up this way: Trans bellhousing bolts, the torque converter bolts, the starter too. The hood needs to come off. Set it up where it will NOT fall over. To install the motor and trans as a unit, you will need a rolling engine hoist. You will need a way to adjust the tilt of the engine/trans as it is moved into the engine bay. There are plates that bolt to the intake in place of the carburetor. Mine has 3 holes. I use the rearmost hole if setting a trans with the motor. There are also 4 point brackets that have a metal loop attached to a long screw. This allows the load to shift and tilt. Oh, just in case you haven't heard, bolt on the motor mounts but leave them a little loose! They often need to be shifted around some to seat correctly with the engine in place. If you tighten them down beforehand, they may not allow the motor to sit in position and you will have to loosen them up anyways.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Kern Dog] #1053247 08/15/11 04:22 AM 08/15/11 04:22 AM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,894 Mira Loma, CA 69B3GT top fuel
69B3GT top fuel Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,894 Mira Loma, CA	We just pulled the radiator on my dart and dropped the 440-727 in through the top(we removed the hood too) Went in simple enough

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Drip] #1053248 08/15/11 08:42 AM 08/15/11 08:42 AM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	You can place trans up in there first, put crossmember in and trans mount, and can leave floor jack under it until eng is dropped in. Have done it a few times.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Drip] #1053249 08/15/11 09:16 AM 08/15/11 09:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Bolt them together before putting them in the car, it's way easier and faster. It's stupid to put them in separately.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Challenger 1] #1053250 08/15/11 09:40 AM 08/15/11 09:40 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Bolt them together before putting them in the car, it's way easier and faster. It's stupid to put them in separately. Absolutely. Trying to line up and install the tranny with the engine is a P.I.T.A under the car. Why the heck do you want to do two installations when you can do one. And yes, remove the radiator, it will slip in with a little help from your friends.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Drip] #1053251 08/15/11 12:02 PM 08/15/11 12:02 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	both together & using the load leveler was the best ch I ever did w that (bolt the 2 rear chains to not the rear set of manifold bolts but the next pair forward) & I highly recommend removing the st box/column/center steering link. You need all the room you can muster so as to not nick/damage anything & jack the front end up pretty high and the rear less so/at least 1 helper/alot of weight on the cherry picker live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Kern Dog] #1053252 08/15/11 12:48 PM 08/15/11 12:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot
MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation	Quote: ?????? I prefer to install them together. Yeah ... you and the other couple of here have probably done-this dozens of times. This guy here appears to be a first-timer. ANOTHER consideration is the weight of the E&T combo ... having to raise it up much higher ... and lots of the cheapO cranes being tippy. And AGAIN .. him being a newbie.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: MasterDeBaTeR !] #1053253 08/15/11 12:55 PM 08/15/11 12:55 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	That's what I was picturing, small garage, flimsy bolt together hoist, etc.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: buildanother] #1053254 08/15/11 01:55 PM 08/15/11 01:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Do it together. Have some helping hands to do it. Practice using the release on the hoist so you can manage that smoothly. Jack the rear of the car way up in the air. Makes it easier. Once you get it in the bay not yet bolted in, lower the rear of the car. Then bolt it in. IMO, you'll spend more time putting the trans/converter bolts in than the extra effort to put it in together.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: RobX4406] #1053255 08/15/11 02:10 PM 08/15/11 02:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ J Joesixpack I Live Here
Joesixpack I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,912 APACHE JUNCTION AZ	3 guys is the best manpower scenario....one on the crane, 2 directing the engine/trans assembly....a tilter works great... 6779404-IMG00411-20101113-1033.jpg (76 downloads)

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: RobX4406] #1053256 08/15/11 03:24 PM 08/15/11 03:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	Installing the combo in a car isn't difficult. Try doing it in a truck! The engine bays are shorter and the core support is taller. Whew...Talk about stacking the deck against yourself! I did a "360 out/440 in" swap in a 74 Dodge truck, trans connected to both. BY MYSELF. Yeah, I cussed and yelled plenty.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Kern Dog] #1053257 08/15/11 05:54 PM 08/15/11 05:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Installing the combo in a car isn't difficult. Try doing it in a truck! The engine bays are shorter and the core support is taller. Whew...Talk about stacking the deck against yourself! I did a "360 out/440 in" swap in a 74 Dodge truck, trans connected to both. BY MYSELF. Yeah, I cussed and yelled plenty. On a challenger... It can be done by one guy from the top with both tranny and motor bolted together with a cheap chinesse hoist. I've done it twice now with my cheap hoist. I'm getting ready to do it again here real soon. I use a carb lifting plate and the engine hangs at a good angle that allows me to get it in the car by myself. [image]http://[/image] The homemade plate I built in hi school welding class in 1978. It's way better and more compact than a tilter imo. It don't hit my firewall. The 340 built in my race shop by me. Last edited by Challenger 1; 08/15/11 07:31 PM.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: MasterDeBaTeR !] #1053258 08/15/11 06:34 PM 08/15/11 06:34 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: This guy here appears to be a first-timer... lots of the cheapO cranes being tippy.... And AGAIN .. him being a newbie. Then there's no better way to learn, then, is there. No coddling around here. You throw them into the deep end of the pool. They learn to swim REAL FAST.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Commando1] #1053259 08/16/11 01:58 AM 08/16/11 01:58 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	Why can't you go from the bottom up? Set the jackstands back on the car a bit, tires on the back up on blocks, build something with wheels so you can roll the engine/trans and front k member under the car. Take the hood off. Hook your engine hoise through the engine compartment and suck it up against the car. Install bolts, torsion bars, upper control arms to the spindles and reinstall the calipers, which you should have hung from the fender supports with wire. Works like a charm. Just have to get the car high enough to roll the engine under it.. You can even have the headers installed. Hardest part is getting the steering shaft reconnected.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: dodgeboy11] #1053260 08/16/11 09:45 AM 08/16/11 09:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Why can't you go from the bottom up? Set the jackstands back on the car a bit, tires on the back up on blocks, build something with wheels so you can roll the engine/trans and front k member under the car. Take the hood off. Hook your engine hoise through the engine compartment and suck it up against the car. Install bolts, torsion bars, upper control arms to the spindles and reinstall the calipers, which you should have hung from the fender supports with wire. Works like a charm. Just have to get the car high enough to roll the engine under it.. You can even have the headers installed. Hardest part is getting the steering shaft reconnected. That is just about the most Rube Goldberg method I can think of for a driveway swap... Quote: Just have to get the car high enough

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Commando1] #1053261 08/16/11 12:19 PM 08/16/11 12:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,074 detroit, mi POS Dakota super stock
POS Dakota super stock Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,074 detroit, mi	So...about those carb lift plates...I look at them and I just think it would really suck to drop a motor and trans if it pulled out on ya. Are they really that strong? Can I trust it? I've never tried one, but i think I am going to have to this time around since I will be doing it all myself.

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: Commando1] #1053262 08/16/11 12:35 PM 08/16/11 12:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot
MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: This guy here appears to be a first-timer... lots of the cheapO cranes being tippy.... And AGAIN .. him being a newbie. Then there's no better way to learn, then, is there. No coddling around here. You throw them into the deep end of the pool. They learn to swim REAL FAST. GOIN' Commando .... a DOUBLE ...at choo' ! The prob is ... is that if the M/T combo gets-away from the OP ... it can damage the car SEVERELY ...or he can damage HISself !

Re: engine and tranny install [Re: POS Dakota] #1053263 08/16/11 12:39 PM 08/16/11 12:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot
MasterDeBaTeR ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,435 Florida STAYcation	Quote: So...about those carb lift plates...I look at them and I just think it would really suck to drop a motor and trans if it pulled out on ya. Are they really that strong? Can I trust it? I've never tried one, but i think I am going to have to this time around since I will be doing it all myself. I am not a FAN of plates with alum intake manifolds. I have seen one pull-through the threads and badly damage the pan ...and have heard of others.

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