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Re: What would it take....
[Re: DoubleD]
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08/06/11 08:47 PM
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1 or 20 passes, no big deal. 750 pass maintainence shedule @ that et, be ready to spend your dollars on either upfront items, or, repair costs. Ain't nothin' free. I see, billet crank, billet rods, good block, good heads, roller and rockers, oil system, it adds up rather quickly. If the 3K deal can hang, I'm an a s s. I don't really think so.
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: Leigh]
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08/06/11 08:53 PM
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1 or 20 passes, no big deal. 750 pass maintainence shedule @ that et, be ready to spend your dollars on either upfront items, or, repair costs. Ain't nothin' free. I see, billet crank, billet rods, good block, good heads, roller and rockers, oil system, it adds up rather quickly. If the 3K deal can hang, I'm an a s s. I don't really think so.
 MY 'estimate' DID include labor...if he had a LOT of the bare essentials,,,, 
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Re: What would it take....
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08/06/11 09:06 PM
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This is where I can stand on my "soap box" Big block, small block, best brand or brand X. If you want to build a low mantainence, fast engine, the costs are going to be fairly close. Price a Bryant or Callies crank, Crower or Oliver rods, Mopar, Keith Black, or other blocks, CFE or equivelent head porters heads , Milodon or equivelent oil pans. I think I'm up to $15K, and I haven't selected a builder yet.
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: Leigh]
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08/06/11 10:52 PM
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This is where I can stand on my "soap box" Big block, small block, best brand or brand X. If you want to build a low mantainence, fast engine, the costs are going to be fairly close. Price a Bryant or Callies crank, Crower or Oliver rods, Mopar, Keith Black, or other blocks, CFE or equivelent head porters heads , Milodon or equivelent oil pans. I think I'm up to $15K, and I haven't selected a builder yet.
All that just to run high nines??? all I am looking to do is run ten flat with a FACTORY production block but have a little cushion for the hot summer months even if I have to throttle it back to keep from going under in the spring and fall, there is no way I will spend that kind of money on that quality of part just to bracket race on the weekend's if this was a max effort deal then yeah give me the best and the highest dollar part I can get,,I don't even have that quality of stuff in the smallblock I am running now and it will run the number for the most part but I don't like the fact that I don't have that cushion to fall back on,,you see it's a little more than just running that particular number, it a fact that I have never built a big block and would like to get my hand's dirty in one, I think I have the capability to build a good low dollar engine to run where I want it to and not break the bank,or itself I just wanted to hear other peoples opinion's and combo's,,I respect your opinion about using the high dollar internals but that would be a deal breaker for me as I cannot afford the top shelf stuff. 
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: dartman366]
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08/06/11 11:08 PM
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Reality sucks, to be sure. Why not just tweek what you have, and move forward? Why to you think things like KB blocks, 2,000 rods, 2,000 cranks exist? Play large, or play realistic, the choice is up to you and your budget. It all works, just not to all.
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: 69dart]
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08/07/11 01:33 AM
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I know of a very basic engine combo that was running 9.6s@140 in a dart. It is a 493 with edelbrock rpms and a .690 roller. He recently brought compression down to 12to1 from 14to1 and downsized the cam to a 640 lift and still running 9.7-9.8s....
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: aarcudaden]
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08/07/11 03:28 PM
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In a 2900# car, there's no way you need all those exotic parts to go 9.7. look at Dom's and Bob's cars, amongst others, all heavier and into the 9's with RPM heads.
Cudadon is at that weight and is going 9.44 with a 451 with stage 6 heads.
Mick
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: deaks]
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08/07/11 04:48 PM
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well, I need to freshen up the 408 this winter, so I may see what I need to do to give it a little more and then run it another season, but I am still concidering going to a BB before I stop racing,,,,if I ever do , I just want to build a solid combo that will run all day and never lift the hood between round's, I think a mild big block with the right combo of parts will get me where I want to be and not have to run the dog dodo out of it to run the numbers I want.  Thanks for the pm dap. 
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Re: What would it take....
[Re: dartman366]
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08/07/11 05:52 PM
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If you feel you are running the dog doo doo out of your 408. There is a very simple fix. More stroke less RPM same HP and a little more torque. BPE, Callies and many others have 4.250 stroke cranks. Then you can be a little easier on your engine and still get it done.
If you must, add 200 lbs to the front k-member so you feel like you are running a Big Block.
Seriously stroke is the quick answer to your concerns.
Leon
Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.
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Besides why do ya wanna slow down for 
