Thank you all. Yes, I'm aware the car market is crazy right now and that's why I'm holding out plus other things going on right now. I did look early last year I think and saw a Frostbite Scat for $35k which was the cheapest for an 8spd auto car. I may have to try one. If I get one I think I'm partial to orange colors. Anyways, this all is good information. Thank you again.