mr. p, don't beat your self up ! you are so far removed from me it isn't funny, and you contribute so much more here than the biggest whiny cry babies could ever do if they all lived to be 1000 ! and when you learn something by a screwup, it stays with you forever. which means you will become an even BETTER member than you already are because you NEVER hesitate to impart your knowledge and experience to better others when similar questions arise ! glad it was something kinda simple. still thinking of a cam change now, or will you wait a bit and see what happens ?