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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847627
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I just took one of these off the dyno Sunday. It was a SBF
The pros
Easy to setup
Bluetooth is great, if you had an android head unit would be awesome.
Base tune is super safe.

The cons
Limited adjustment
NO DATA LOGGING

For a guy that wants to put it in a street car, this would be good to go, set it forget it. If you were going to tune it with a turbo you are probably going to need a data recorder unless you like spending a lot of time tuning or know a guy with a dyno.


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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847639
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Originally Posted by INTMD8
Also, Rich Nedbal can get you set up with everything you need.



who is that and where do i find him?


https://www.fastmanefi.com/


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: sr4440] #2847641
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Originally Posted by sr4440
I just took one of these off the dyno Sunday. It was a SBF
The pros
Easy to setup
Bluetooth is great, if you had an android head unit would be awesome.
Base tune is super safe.

The cons
Limited adjustment
NO DATA LOGGING

For a guy that wants to put it in a street car, this would be good to go, set it forget it. If you were going to tune it with a turbo you are probably going to need a data recorder unless you like spending a lot of time tuning or know a guy with a dyno.


Joe


what system did you dyno with?


I have a good relationship with a tuner who has a dyno. I have spent lots of money with him and sent him lots of customers. Plus i bring him stuff he doesn't see all the time so he enjoys it

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847668
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Originally Posted by sr4440
I just took one of these off the dyno Sunday. It was a SBF
The pros
Easy to setup
Bluetooth is great, if you had an android head unit would be awesome.
Base tune is super safe.

The cons
Limited adjustment
NO DATA LOGGING

For a guy that wants to put it in a street car, this would be good to go, set it forget it. If you were going to tune it with a turbo you are probably going to need a data recorder unless you like spending a lot of time tuning or know a guy with a dyno.


Joe


what system did you dyno with?


I have a good relationship with a tuner who has a dyno. I have spent lots of money with him and sent him lots of customers. Plus i bring him stuff he doesn't see all the time so he enjoys it


It was a Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 on a 354 SBF, this was a engine going into a bronco, small roller cam and some AFR heads. Made 337hp @5400 with the base tune, left the shop with 380hp @5700 and a lot better BSFC numbers. had a real flat torque curve, should be a nice ride.
System was the easiest EFI I have ever setup with the duel sync distributor. saying that, none of them are really hard at all to setup.
with a turbo, i would want data logging, just noway to drive it and adjust while under boost. LOL


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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847680
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Originally Posted by INTMD8
Yes like Andy said, edelbrock is limited control. It has self learning functions but not really enough access to tune something like you're building correctly, in my opinion.

No reason you couldn't run the Pro-flo XT manifold and control it with a Holley syste[spoiler][/spoiler]m.



i like that option. what about controlling the spark? would I use holleys distributor then?


There is a Moparts member who is running the Pro Flo intake manifold and is controlling it with a Holley ECU. Just buy the intake bare from Edelbrock and build your own setup. By the time you're done you'll be an expert. You can use the Holley dual sync distributor or you could use a crank trigger and a cam sync. Lots of different possibilities. Just depends on how much you want to do and and how thick your wallet is.

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: sr4440] #2847681
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Yeah I've set up a few Edelbrock systems for guys and they typically go together fairly easy and run fine. I'd never use one on my own car since I'd like to know what is going on with the system but they seem to work fine for people who aren't interested in tuning the car.

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847802
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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: polyspheric] #2847805
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after downloading what software i can it seems even the edelbrock has boost retard, BUT no data logging.

Maybe the terminator is the way to go, help keep some costs down, but give me the capability to data log. build the system around that??

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2847835
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You want a timing table that’s rpm vs manifold pressure. Just a boost retard is not an ideal solution.


69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: INTMD8] #2847865
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I have to say I like the Holley stuff...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: Dragula] #2847978
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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: FastmOp] #2847984
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I really like the megasquirt EFI stuff from DIYAutotune. It is an incredible value but it comes with more work as you have to make your own harness etc. I went the full cheap guy route and soldered up my ECU from a kit. It's been an enjoyable deal and I have 5 years on it now and it has been rock solid reliable. I could see how its not for everyone though.

That being said the Holley stuff is super nice and easy, you pay for it but its good stuff. Try to look to the future as much as you can, the HP holley product is a good value but it would be pretty easy to leave yourself wanting more options in the future if you expand. I don't think you can reach the end of the capabilities of the Dominator ECU. FastmanEFI can you line you out though.

I couldn't imagine not having Data log capabilities with an EFI system. I data log way more fields than I need to but there is times where I will see something on here, or read something on another sight and I can go back and look at that field in a log and learn something.


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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: Dragula] #2848018
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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: Bad340fish] #2848056
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I have the Holley HP on my Charger, went to the track Friday, if not for the Data log I would have been lost as to why the car laid down on the big end,


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2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: CSK] #2848059
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Originally Posted by csk
I have the Holley HP on my Charger, went to the track Friday, if not for the Data log I would have been lost as to why the car laid down on the big end,


could you post a few pics on your entire setup?

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2848094
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
Originally Posted by csk
I have the Holley HP on my Charger, went to the track Friday, if not for the Data log I would have been lost as to why the car laid down on the big end,


could you post a few pics on your entire setup?


I have the Holley 7" dash, Hilborn EFI, Holley hp, Tanks Inc intank Hellcat fuel pump.

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512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: CSK] #2848100
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that is BAD!!!


does that hellcat fuel pump work well? is it a OE pump or a walbro?

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Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2848111
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
that is BAD!!!


does that hellcat fuel pump work well? is it a OE pump or a walbro?


Its a Walbro, but by chance I am having a fuel Volume problem that I have to sort out, glad I had the Data Log to see what was going on.


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what size fuel line are you running?

Re: Help me pick a EFI for a 540 [Re: 8urvette] #2848185
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Originally Posted by 8urvette
what size fuel line are you running?
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-6, & that is at 55psi, I think my Fuel filter is not up to the task, I ordered a large EFI 460GPH 10 micron filter today. I will do some volume test when the new filter gets here, before & after

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2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

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