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CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/18/11 08:28 PM
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Hi, I live in Brazil, and I and my friend have two small block dodges intented for drag races:
Dart 79
360 stroker (410 pol)
Scat I beams
Keith Black dome pistons
Edelbrock Super Victor
825 cfm demon race carb alky
12.5 compression
4 speed manual transmission
Edelbrock aluminum home ported cylinder heads
camshaft Hugues Engines solid flat taped HTL 6972 (268/272 at 0,50).
The car weights 2450 lbs race ready
The car actually makes 10.8 in the 1/4 mile, at 125 mph.
I have a Comp Cams solid roller camshaft 263/270 at 0,50. Do you think that the comp cams will be better than the Hugues? Would you suggest a better cam for this combo? I'll apreciate your help.
The other car is a Dodge Dart 74
396 pol (318 stroker)
W-2 cylinder heads ported by Ryan J. (admission 278.2 cfm and 183,6 exhaust, at .650 lift)
Ross Dome Pistons
Mopar M-1 intake for W-2
Hugues Engines camshaft 6872 (268/272 at 0.50)
The compression is 14,5: 1
The car wheigts 2350 lbs, race ready with driver, and the best time is 10.2 in 1/4 mile, at 132 mph
A friend sayed to us that the bore of a 318 is very little for this camshaft, what do you think? Would you suggest a better cam?
Both the car use methanol fuel, 4 speed manual transmission, 4.88 rear axle...
We'll apreciate the help very much... actually, the fastest dodge in Brazil with small block has 9.9 in 1.4 mile, and the fastest natural aspirated small block is a Ford Maverick, that does 9.1 in 1.4 mile... Thanks.
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/18/11 08:47 PM
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I would talk to Tim Goolsby at Bullet cams, you may be near the point of port saturation (where you're using up the entire flow potential of the heads) but it's worth a shot to talk to him. Bullet owns the rights to the entire line of the old Ultradyne cams which are about the most violent power-making RACE cams I've ever worked with in my 32 years of mopars. Switching from a flat tappet grind to a solid roller cam should still be worth some power and your lobe spread may or may not be optimum for your particular combination. Generally a lighter deep geared 4 speeed car (which has less rpm drop between gears) can go to a wider seperation which lower mid range torque but can raise the RPM that peak torque and horsepower are achieved. The flow potential of either head you have mentioned is going to be around 300 cfm (+/- 10) under all but the most skilled porting hands, this suggests just over 600-620 horsepower of flow potential so you may go faster with a bit more head and cam provided you have the induction and exhust to carry it. Another great resource would be our own Dwayne Porter who goes by the name fast68plymouth here on Moparts, he's exceptionally cam-saavy as well  The 'small' 3.91" bore of the 318 often gets blamed for reducing performance compared to the much larger 340 4.04" bore, while a larger bore is advantageous in a wedge style head, the chevy 5.7" LS1 has the very same bore size and many near stock bore LS motors run very quick.
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/19/11 01:16 AM
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Hi, I live in Brazil, and I and my friend have two small block dodges intented for drag races:
Dart 79
360 stroker (410 pol)
Scat I beams
Keith Black dome pistons
Edelbrock Super Victor
825 cfm demon race carb alky
12.5 compression
4 speed manual transmission
Edelbrock aluminum home ported cylinder heads
camshaft Hugues Engines solid flat taped HTL 6972 (268/272 at 0,50).
The car weights 2450 lbs race ready
The car actually makes 10.8 in the 1/4 mile, at 125 mph.
I have a Comp Cams solid roller camshaft 263/270 at 0,50. Do you think that the comp cams will be better than the Hugues? Would you suggest a better cam for this combo? I'll apreciate your help.
The other car is a Dodge Dart 74
396 pol (318 stroker)
W-2 cylinder heads ported by Ryan J. (admission 278.2 cfm and 183,6 exhaust, at .650 lift)
Ross Dome Pistons
Mopar M-1 intake for W-2
Hugues Engines camshaft 6872 (268/272 at 0.50)
The compression is 14,5: 1
The car wheigts 2350 lbs, race ready with driver, and the best time is 10.2 in 1/4 mile, at 132 mph
A friend sayed to us that the bore of a 318 is very little for this camshaft, what do you think? Would you suggest a better cam?
Both the car use methanol fuel, 4 speed manual transmission, 4.88 rear axle...
We'll apreciate the help very much... actually, the fastest dodge in Brazil with small block has 9.9 in 1.4 mile, and the fastest natural aspirated small block is a Ford Maverick, that does 9.1 in 1.4 mile... Thanks.
The roller cam for the 410 should pick up about .3-.5 in the 1/4.
As for the 318, 132mph should go 9's...with that much compression you probably need more porting, unshroud the valve at the bore. How much intake porting was done? The victor is better and the Indy is best.
That cam is fine but a roller would pick up power a great deal.
Brian
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/19/11 12:24 PM
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Hi, I live in Brazil, and I and my friend have two small block dodges intented for drag races:
Dart 79
360 stroker (410 pol)
Scat I beams
Keith Black dome pistons
Edelbrock Super Victor
825 cfm demon race carb alky
12.5 compression
4 speed manual transmission
Edelbrock aluminum home ported cylinder heads
camshaft Hugues Engines solid flat taped HTL 6972 (268/272 at 0,50).
The car weights 2450 lbs race ready
The car actually makes 10.8 in the 1/4 mile, at 125 mph.
I have a Comp Cams solid roller camshaft 263/270 at 0,50. Do you think that the comp cams will be better than the Hugues? Would you suggest a better cam for this combo? I'll apreciate your help.
The other car is a Dodge Dart 74
396 pol (318 stroker)
W-2 cylinder heads ported by Ryan J. (admission 278.2 cfm and 183,6 exhaust, at .650 lift)
Ross Dome Pistons
Mopar M-1 intake for W-2
Hugues Engines camshaft 6872 (268/272 at 0.50)
The compression is 14,5: 1
The car wheigts 2350 lbs, race ready with driver, and the best time is 10.2 in 1/4 mile, at 132 mph
A friend sayed to us that the bore of a 318 is very little for this camshaft, what do you think? Would you suggest a better cam?
Both the car use methanol fuel, 4 speed manual transmission, 4.88 rear axle...
We'll apreciate the help very much... actually, the fastest dodge in Brazil with small block has 9.9 in 1.4 mile, and the fastest natural aspirated small block is a Ford Maverick, that does 9.1 in 1.4 mile... Thanks.
The roller cam for the 410 should pick up about .3-.5 in the 1/4.
As for the 318, 132mph should go 9's...with that much compression you probably need more porting, unshroud the valve at the bore. How much intake porting was done? The victor is better and the Indy is best.
That cam is fine but a roller would pick up power a great deal.
Brian
The intake is almost regular, doesn't have extensive porting... Is very difficult to import parts for the cars here, because the taxes is 60% of the part and the freight, then is more or less 110% from the invoice price...I want to buy the indy/rhs ported heads with you, could you quote the freight for the zip code 13465-660?
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/19/11 12:32 PM
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Can you give us a 1/4 mile break down(time slip intervals)...
either one of those cars should be well into the 9's....
nice rides
Thank you...
The white Dodge in 1/8 mile: 1.468 (60 feet) 4.368 (100 m) ------- 6.756 (1/8 mile) 164.9 km/h (102 mph)
The greed Dodge in 1/8 mile: 1.502 (60 feet) 4.46 (100 m) 7.0 (1/8 mile) 11.0 at 125 mph in the 1/4 mile
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker
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05/19/11 11:24 PM
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Man I love those cars, especially the roof line. Really nice and they run pretty darn good now.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker
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05/20/11 12:00 AM
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Hey, say to your buddy there are 2 more stroked W2s ported by Rj going to Brazil to chase him!  
I'll do that!!! eles vao gostar de saber disso, mais dodges na arrancada! abs
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker)
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05/20/11 12:10 AM
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Thank you... The white Dodge in 1/8 mile: 1.468 (60 feet) 4.368 (100 m) ------- 6.756 (1/8 mile) 164.9 km/h (102 mph) The greed Dodge in 1/8 mile: 1.502 (60 feet) 4.46 (100 m) 7.0 (1/8 mile) 11.0 at 125 mph in the 1/4 mile
Both of you need to tune the chassis... you both should
have better 60' times.... I dont recall the converters
on both cars ... but you weigh less than my car
(2405# race weight)and I run a 405ci with a normal
60' of 1.21... best is a 1.19.... granted a roller
cam will make more power but I believe you both have
chassis issues
EDIT
I forgot... your both 4 speed cars
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker
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05/20/11 12:23 AM
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Hey, say to your buddy there are 2 more stroked W2s ported by Rj going to Brazil to chase him!
I'll do that!!! eles vao gostar de saber disso, mais dodges na arrancada! abs
Can you translate your sentence ... I dont know
Portuguese .... just curious
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Hey, say to your buddy there are 2 more stroked W2s ported by Rj going to Brazil to chase him!
I'll do that!!! eles vao gostar de saber disso, mais dodges na arrancada! abs
Can you translate your sentence ... I dont know
Portuguese .... just curious
I only said that I and my friend in Brazil will be happy... Here, we have less than 10 dodges in Drag Races, and the white one, built by Gemeos Racing, my friends, is one of the 3 bests...Actually, a Maverick, with engine built by Joe Sherman is winning all the races, and a Chevy Opala with six inline is the second faster car (weight is 1900 lbs).
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Re: CAMSHAFT FOR 410 (360 stroker) and 396 (318 stroker
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05/20/11 01:28 AM
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Actually, a Maverick, with engine built by Joe Sherman is winning all the races, and a Chevy Opala with six inline is the second faster car (weight is 1900 lbs).
Yes man, it's really sad to see 6cc engines going faster than our Mopars..
They have better heads (braziliam stockcars used chevy 6cc for a long time) do a lot of stuff (nitromethane, etc..) and we just with our 318 ported heads + big carburator.,... etc... thats sad... thats why we need this forum... good heads as W2s.. and so on...
Also is very hard for us.. because of customs taxes... if a stroker kit costs USD2k here in US... will arrive there for 4k... and so on... but weŽll gonna do it... and these guys is already doing it!
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