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Mopars and Technology ??? #991823
05/13/11 09:03 PM
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With all the bashing going on in the small block head post, I got to thinking...

Why are most Mopar guys stuck in the past? I know some people like tradition and such, but WAKE UP! there's more to life then "purple shafts, super stock springs, W-2, and J-converters, etc."

While i'm not gonna deny that this stuff works, but most of it has gone the way of the dinosaur, there is much better technology out there today, and why Mopar people will not embrace some of it is beyond me

I understand that one of the stumbling block is cost, but in the long run paying a little more for modern and quality parts make our cars more reliable in the long run.

So come on guys don't be afraid, Think outside the box a little!


1968 Barracuda 360/727 11.20 @ 121 mph 421 rwhp
1985 Harley Sportster Bobber
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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991824
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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991825
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Heck, look at most of the post on here... alot of it
is about something from 50 years ago .... I've asked
this same question before

Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #991826
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I often wonder the same thing. But on the other hand building a car that will go in a strait line is new to me. I'm used to building stuff that goes in circles. So some of the stuff that i'm trying is old school but if it doesn't work I will more than likely change.

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Heck, look at most of the post on here... alot of it
is about something from 50 years ago .... I've asked
this same question before




What you love 83/4s

Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Quicktree] #991828
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Quote:

Quote:

Heck, look at most of the post on here... alot of it
is about something from 50 years ago .... I've asked
this same question before




What you love 83/4s




Yes I do... it works for me... right now I'm building
a 9" for my Rampage... if it blows I'm blaming it
on you

Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #991829
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Im with ya dude

I just sold my R block W9 motor and im putting a EFI injected 6.1/426 HEMI stroker in my Challenger

No more tunning carbs for me

Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #991830
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I think to innovate with new stuff you need to have money and/or time.
I'm trying loads of new/unproven concepts on my build and it's expensive & time consuming as there is not always a reference point to start from. in part you have to look a lot wider than Moparts to get answers on some of these (EFI/EMS/ multiplexing electrics etc.).
Moparts is still the best site by far though.


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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: tubtar] #991832
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Went to a shorter tire and made some driveline upgrades.........it only got worse.

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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991833
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While I agree there is better technology out there in some areas, especially in metalurgy and actual production processes, don't believe everything you read in the mags or on this web sight for that matter. A lot of this "new technology" is just a rehash of stuff that was done 50 years ago. Some word smith has just relabeled it "multi-tasking" and put it in a multi-colored box. I'm all for someone taking the initiative to design a new widzisz, but, as my old man used to say, "talks cheap, takes money to buy whiskey". I applaud him, but I will stay in the "holding pattern" for now.


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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991834
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Quote:

With all the bashing going on in the small block head post, I got to thinking...

Why are most Mopar guys stuck in the past? I know some people like tradition and such, but WAKE UP! there's more to life then "purple shafts, super stock springs, W-2, and J-converters, etc."

While i'm not gonna deny that this stuff works, but most of it has gone the way of the dinosaur, there is much better technology out there today, and why Mopar people will not embrace some of it is beyond me

I understand that one of the stumbling block is cost, but in the long run paying a little more for modern and quality parts make our cars more reliable in the long run.

So come on guys don't be afraid, Think outside the box a little!




I dont care when the part was made personally, if it works how I want it to then im fine with it. If you like all the new fancy expensive parts then all the power to ya.

Ill take my MP cam and be happy


As for buying the newer stuff and it making the car reliable, I have to disagree. Ive seen the "Dinosaur purple shafts and SS springs" last a real long time, and work good.

Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991835
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My favorite exampleof what modern technology can do just look at the FAST class cars, some of the top drag cars back in the day could run no where near as fast with cheater slicks, altered wheel base's, purple cams, slapper bars... now we can add a bunch of new tech into an old engine desighn and whammy! 9 second cars that look like they just rolled off the show room floor.


I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!



Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: Cudahlr] #991836
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I understand that one of the stumbling block is cost, but in the long run paying a little more for modern and quality parts make our cars more reliable in the long run.




"Paying a little more" is a relative term and most likely diminishes the Pandora's Box of cost to go high tech. It really comes down to "return on investment" when it comes to "new tech".

Lite-weight, CNC cut, mass produced short comp. height pistons are well worth the longevity, added performance and cost. Roller lifters & valvetrain add ALOT to the cost of a motor build but raises the HP level well enough to justify it.

Buuuuuuut, going 3rd Gen Hemi can really open up a costly can of worms to stay EFI and all the other new tech that can go with it.

If you've done the old tech many times over or want to promote your skills to get some business in that new market. Awesome. But the budget bracket guy doesn't even need to waste the $$ to have fun. He can build a car for hundreds, possibly thousands, less and run the money brackets.

It's a BIG hobby with lots of directions to go. People do many questionable things for novelty.


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I got no problems with the new tech stuff, I just got money problems. I'm forced to run what I have because I've collected all this stuff for decades. When I first built the W5 340 there wasn't anyone I could talk to about it so I spent a lot of money on cams, converters, carbs and intakes. I can't go through that again right now so I'm keeping what I have. However if those new heads do happen and I can afford to build another engine later I'll be looking at them. I don't see a gen3 hemi in my future ever but who knows. I may win the lottery someday.


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Re: Mopars and Technology ??? [Re: 69B3GT] #991838
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As for buying the newer stuff and it making the car reliable, I have to disagree. Ive seen the "Dinosaur purple shafts and SS springs" last a real long time, and work good.



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I think a bunch of you are missing the big picture.there is nothing wrong with old mopar iron you are just not going to go fast and keep up with brand x with out something new.

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I think a bunch of you are missing the big picture.there is nothing wrong with old mopar iron you are just not going to go fast and keep up with brand x with out something new.





so you mean that i cant win in the local unlimited heads up classracing with "X" heads and a purple cam with a J converter and posatraction tires?
speed cost money and going fast is the name of the game!

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I think a bunch of you are missing the big picture.there is nothing wrong with old mopar iron you are just not going to go fast and keep up with brand x with out something new.





so you mean that i cant win in the local unlimited heads up classracing with "X" heads and a purple cam with a J converter and posatraction tires?
speed cost money and going fast is the name of the game!


it's possible but you would have to be extremely lucky.

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