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4.7 engine problem need help! #953345
03/18/11 09:38 PM
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got a 2001 Grand Cherokee 4.7 auto well it daughter. Well I change the lovely radiator (I highly recommend it for everyone)we still having a few issues the main one is has a hole in the vc on pass side just alittle to the right of the center vc bolt.. question is what would cause this? it look it took a hit from the inside of the cover? now it been running rough a day after I install the radiator... surely that didn't cause it to run ruff? could it be a valve spring that broke? the other thing is the hyd fan turn slow do I need to bleed it or something? thanks for any help or info!!!

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953346
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anyone have a expose picture of the valve train on that motor?

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953347
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Those engine are known to throw rocker arm/cam followers off.Get a new lifter and follower(rocker arm).install.Parts have been updated.Most likely exhaust side.Overhead cam so the rocker/follower sits right under the camshaft and pivots off the lifter.basicly just pry the new follower in place.PAY attention and don't mark-up the cam surface.The valve cover gasket is reuasable,so try not to tear it when removing the cover.Pricey gasket.$40-$50?.Been a while since I bought one though.Valve cover is gonna take a while to get off.Not no 1/2 job.First time,expect 3 hours or more for the whole job.make it easyier,just remove the battery tray,and the heater hoses.trying short cuts will just cost you time.

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: moretoys] #953348
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wow! I'm glad I got a 5.2 in my truck...I will check it out! Thanks!

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953349
03/19/11 11:40 AM
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Yes, that is a common problem on the 4.7's. they spit the rocker due to the lifter failing. Not a bad idea to replace all the lifters while you're in there. You will also need to check the lifter bore in the head as they sometimes break when the lifter fails & it spits the rocker. If this happens, it's time for a new head. There is a trick to replace them without pulling the cams & timing chains all the way out. Find the tighteneing sequence for the cam hold downs & a little at a time loosen them in the reverse order just enough to get the rocker/followers out or just off the lifter to replace the lifter. When all done make sure everything is lined up & carefully snug the cam hold downs back down in sequence & then follow the torque steps.


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: HemiRunner] #953350
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Yes, that is a common problem on the 4.7's. they spit the rocker due to the lifter failing. Not a bad idea to replace all the lifters while you're in there. You will also need to check the lifter bore in the head as they sometimes break when the lifter fails & it spits the rocker. If this happens, it's time for a new head. There is a trick to replace them without pulling the cams & timing chains all the way out. Find the tighteneing sequence for the cam hold downs & a little at a time loosen them in the reverse order just enough to get the rocker/followers out or just off the lifter to replace the lifter. When all done make sure everything is lined up & carefully snug the cam hold downs back down in sequence & then follow the torque steps.


At what milage are they failing? is it oil related?

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: ademon] #953351
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I have seen them in the 50,000 to over 100,000 range, so it's not a specific mileage to look for. All the ones I have done are due to internal lifter failure & it has been anything from them colapsing to seizing up. The new lifters seem to be better, but only time will tell.


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953352
03/19/11 05:22 PM
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Those hydraulic fans love to leak, check all the lines.

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: Four40mopar] #953353
03/19/11 05:34 PM
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Hey Thank for answering guys! this 4.7 got 100,000 I think.. there a very light leak on the fan unit... I hoping I won't have to replace lifter on this thing ... I don't have the patience like when I was younger.....

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953354
03/19/11 10:29 PM
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replacing a lifter is easy as pie on those 4.7's... they also love to loosen up the valve seats, especially if the engine overheated at all.

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: ditchdrift] #953355
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wow something else to worry about!

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953356
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Yep, the 4.7 doesn't like heat. I lost a lower radiator hose driving home one night two blocks from the house. The temps went up, the heads warped enough to leak. $450 for the head work and polishing the cams. Gaskets, chains and other misc items were about another $400. Not too hard of a job overall just takes time is all.


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: 67Monaco] #953357
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Another issue that plagues the 3.7 & 4.7 is carbon build up on the exhaust valves. Carbon builds up & hangs the valve open & spits the rocker. Pros & Cons of the 3.7 4.7.

Pros

Mopar engine, sort of.

Cons

Carbon build up on ex valve - spits rocker
Ex seats fall out - spits rocker
Lifter colapses/seizes - can break head, spits rocker
Sensitive to overheating - warps head

what ya gonna do?


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: HemiRunner] #953358
03/20/11 12:22 PM
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Had real good luck with 2 different 150k 4.7's here that got the 3 month-3500 mi o/c's. On the other hand, just had a jeep 3,7 here with a spit rocker.

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: HemiRunner] #953359
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WOW!! all these cons on the 4.7 and my 2000 Grand Cherokee has 233,000 with no engine or trans problems....
Any suggested maintenance to keep her alive longer


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: U_Code_Cuda] #953360
03/20/11 12:33 PM
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I'm closing in on 150K in the next few months only thing is the broken exhaust studs, and the blocked vent in the 9.25 axle that took out the R&P bearing

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: BigTerry] #953361
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The 4.6L fords have these retainers on the rocker arms to keep them from coming off. They actually fit on the 4.7 & 3.7 L chrysler engines. Had a 4.7 in the shop with repeated rocker issues, put the retainers in and hasn't had a problmem since.

Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: Todd] #953362
03/20/11 01:32 PM
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the 4.7 is basically a clone of the 4.6 so it is not supriseing things like that will work.


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: U_Code_Cuda] #953363
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Well the problem with mine wasn't bacuse of the quality of the engine it was the result of a faulty clamp on the lower hose. Other than that this engine has been perfect. I just replaced the chains while I had it apart since the 130K replacement was coming up. Other than that it's been running smooth as silk.


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Re: 4.7 engine problem need help! [Re: HemiRunner] #953364
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What about sludge buildup? I heard they were bad about that unless you use syn oil...

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