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Re: Oil weight, which to use!
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03/09/11 06:58 PM
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Just an FYI for those that have not yet seen it: Summit Racing is now offering its own line of semi-synthetic, high zinc content, multi-viscosity oils. @ 4.95, the price is right! I just did an oil change yesterday in my 451, using the Summit 10w-40. Bottles say manufactured by I.L.C. in Brookfield Conneticut.
Intercontinental Lubricants Corporation (ILC) better known for their Spectro brand of powersports oils.
I'd be interested to see a Product Data Sheet (PDS) of the Summit Racing Oil if Summit can provide one just to get a better idea of the flow characteristics of this oil.
Update: submitted a tech question, stand by....
Just got a response back from Summit Racing:
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Hi,
I don't have a Product Data Sheet. The only information that has been provided is: 1,800 ppm of zinc and phosphorous (ZDDP)
meets A.P.I. SL quality standards. - Ernie
So we know the ZDDP content but none of the other performance attributes are available.
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Re: Oil weight, which to use!
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03/09/11 08:09 PM
03/09/11 08:09 PM
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1,800 ppm of zinc and phosphorous (ZDDP)
meets A.P.I. SL quality standards.
Im pretty sure SL rating was well below 1800 PPM of zinc. He must have meant SF or SG? 
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Oil weight, which to use!
[Re: superbeedave]
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03/10/11 08:33 AM
03/10/11 08:33 AM
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Okay, can anyone come up with the zinc/phosphate ratings for Brad Penn, Zalt, Amsoil and Joe Gibbs oil so as we can compare! To me there has to be hard facts and not just word of mouth. It seems to me that more and more muscle car owners with flat tapped lifters and engine builders are using Brad Penn oil. That seems to be the census. I just purchased a case of Brad penn 10w30 at $50.00. I still have a hard time accepting the fact that Brad Penn is manufactured by kendall oil.
How do we get past hearsay, marketing hype, and personal opinion?
I'd like to point out there’s much more to choosing a balanced motor oil product than focusing on one anti-wear additive alone, e.g. Zinc and Phosphorus (ZDDP). Don't get me wrong, we all want the proper amounts of ZDDP in our muscle car, but we also want a complete and balanced motor oil that can withstand the rigors of weekend fun street/strip duty.
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A motor oil has seven responsibilities:
1) Minimize Friction and Wear
The #1 function of a lubricant. Friction is detrimental to engine components and results in wear, so a lubricant must act as the barrier between moving parts.
2) Cleanliness
Internal cleanliness of an engine depends on contaminants being suspended, preventing them from adhering to engine components.
3) Cool Moving Parts
Engines rely on lubricants to help them run cooler by absorbing heat and moving it to a different location to be safely dissipated. The cooler the operating temps, the better your engine can perform.
4) Prevent Contamination by Acting as a Seal
Acting as a seal, motor oils help minimize combustion by-products from contaminating the lubrication system. Lubricants act as a dynamic seal in locations such as the piston, piston ring and cylinder contact areas.
5) Dampen Shock
In the event of mechanical shock, lubricants help cushion the blow. The lubricant film can absorb and disperse energy spikes over a broader contact area, reducing impact.
6) Prevent Corrosion
Corrosion of internal components can be reduced or prevented by lubricants, by either chemically neutralizing corrosive products or setting up a barrier between the components and the corrosive material.
7) Transfer Energy
At times a lubricant is required to act as an energy-transfer medium, such as in the case of hydraulic equipment or valve lifters in an automotive engine.
So what’s the point? The point is, you can have all the ZDDP in the world but if the oil fails in any of the seven categories listed above, it’s not a balance product and you probably don't want it.
So how do you tell if you have a balanced motor oil product? You can first get a glimpse of certain performance aspects by looking at the Product Data Sheet (PDS) if the manufacture provides one; most do. And if you really want to know, you can get a Virgin Oil Analysis done and then back that up by trending some Used Oil Analyses on the oil you’re using. It could be that the motor oil you're using right now is falling flat on it's face and you don't even know it regardless of the ZDDP content.
BTW, Brad Penn is not manufactured by Kendall oil. Brad Penn oil comes from the original Bradford, Pennsylvania refinery otherwise known as American Refining Group, Inc. This refinery is where the original Kendall GT-1 “green” race oil came from until ConocoPhillips bought the Kendall name. So today, the old Kendall is packaged under the name Brad Penn short for Bradford, Pennsylvania and the new Kendall product is unrelated.
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Re: Oil weight, which to use!
[Re: superbeedave]
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03/10/11 07:32 PM
03/10/11 07:32 PM
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Wow! You learn something new everyday! Thanks for that lecture on oil.
That's some good knowledge. Sometimes I let my ignorances get the best of me!
Thanks Dave. I'd just like to say my post wasn't meant to be a lecture per say or to make anyone feel ignorant. It's just information posted in an information forum. Guess that's how it goes, any one person may or may not find the information they read in an internet forum helpful.
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