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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: earthmover]
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01/06/11 08:39 PM
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i have heard good and not so good on aluminum rods the good being that they are lighter and lets the motor rev. and little more..the not so good is they dont last as long the life span is not as long and need to be changed more often..now dont take that as word cause i really dont know i have never made any hp like this or used alum. rods before..also this will help answer alot of ?? for my build on the 750hp..now he may use alum. i just cant say and love the ups and downs on the rods..mike 
People sometimes treat their stuff poorly and wonder why it fails. I warm my oil to 120* minimum before making a pass and 100* before reving more than 1500. But some don't and the rod doesn't have a chance to grow to it's clearenced size. Steel lasts longer but is harder on everything else. And steel big end gets out of round too. Aluminum should be replaced every 200-250 passes in a natually aspirated engine, but some people, and mopar people say that's not true. I just do it out of habit, but you need to decide for you. I like them better than steel for a race only application. Also, I wonder if that 572-13 motor had 2 carbs?
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: camastomcat]
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01/06/11 09:11 PM
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Car is 2300lb w/driver, 727, 9"w/4.10, M/T 3084s (16x33), 572 B1MC heads flow 440, 15.2-1, hogan w/2 prosystem 1100's, cam is 288/306, calles 4.5, Groden 7.1", mega block, Motor is on it's 13th season. Best pass is 4.88 1/8th and 7.65 1/4.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
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01/06/11 09:40 PM
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i wouldnt use a 572-23 head,, its not big enough or moves enough air to safley make 1000 hp,,, and run down the track like it has 1000hp... the track is the real tell tale
use a b1 mc,,, pso,, or predator,,, a head that flows 440 or so...at least
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: moderncylinder]
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01/06/11 10:10 PM
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i wouldnt use a 572-23 head,, its not big enough or moves enough air to safley make 1000 hp,,, and run down the track like it has 1000hp... the track is the real tell tale
use a b1 mc,,, pso,, or predator,,, a head that flows 440 or so...at least
I totally agree with the last 2 comments. Sit down with the engine builder, parts expert or whatever. People on this and other internet sites throw numbers around like gospel and dyno #'s don't mean jack if the car doesn't do what you want it to do. Pick an et goal and talk with one of these guys that does it for a living. Bob George, Koffel, Best Machine, MMotors, and the last two that replied will help you reach that goal. Sorry if I didn't mention someone else, but all of these guys come to mind as people with good reps.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: B1Fish540]
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01/06/11 11:20 PM
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A guy in my area has a tube chassis GTO with a motor from Kaufmann's that dyno'd 1000HP. It runs 9.50's at the track. Seems like everyone at my track has a 1000HP motor anymore, but they run the same or slower than my 3200# muffled car with 650HP. Any pics of the engine combo's posted so far? 
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: B1Fish540]
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01/06/11 11:22 PM
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For all out heads(non-Hemi) in order of power and flow:
*Indy Wedge(440-1, 572-13)
*B1(MC, PSO)
*Predator
The b1-TS head should be in that equation right around the Predator.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: Diablo]
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01/07/11 12:17 AM
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For all out heads(non-Hemi) in order of power and flow:
*Indy Wedge(440-1, 572-13)
*B1(MC, PSO)
*Predator
The b1-TS head should be in that equation right around the Predator.
Dont know why i forgot that one, Diablo...Only thing thats different is you need a Hemi block, correct me if I am wrong. 
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
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01/07/11 12:25 AM
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9.5:1
unported B1 heads
small roller cam
single dominator
1400hp
1000 ftlbs of torque
oh, yea a 106mm turbo
This makes sense.
Too late for me now , but my next deal will have some type of forced induction on it.
This seems to be the easiest and most reliable way to make monster numbers and not kill parts.
I haven't done any numbers seriously , and it has the slightly more expensive feel to it , but I also think it will pay off long term with less maintenance and parts required to keep it strong.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: earthmover]
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01/07/11 01:13 AM
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car1968 Plymouth Barracuda, mild steel, square tube chassis 7.50 cert
weight2875 race ready full of fuel
engine spec525" B1/MC(oval ported by Mike Duke), 15.5-1, Callies Crank, GRP rods, CP pistons, 282/296 55MM Bullet Cam, T&D rockers, Unported single 4 intake, Gary Williams Dominator
trans1.80 Powerglide with tight ATI 8" stop converter
gear4.30
tire15x33 M/T Stiff sidewall
Fills in the blanks I suppose. This is the newest incarnation of this motor since we freshened it up. Also has a bit more weight in it to help bias a bit. Anyway my internet race car has been 8.0's at 168 and change going through the traps at 7450, in very good air. Admittedly I run the car on the stop most of the time. I typically will go 154-6 at 10.90, been 159 and change on the stop. Car makes peak HP at 7700 peak torque at 6400. Of course maybe the dyno was happy that day but it was well over 1000hp. You all can plug in the numbers to whatever you like and do the math.
We have never really chased ET with the car. I am a stop racer. I am more concerned with how it runs onthe stop than all out. I am completely confident that it can go a bit quicker than we have been. I am under geared and the converter is WAY tight. Shift recovery is ridiculously slow. At any rate that is how I got there.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
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01/07/11 10:58 AM
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9.5:1
unported B1 heads
small roller cam
single dominator
1400hp
1000 ftlbs of torque
oh, yea a 106mm turbo
This makes sense.
Too late for me now , but my next deal will have some type of forced induction on it.
This seems to be the easiest and most reliable way to make monster numbers and not kill parts.
I haven't done any numbers seriously , and it has the slightly more expensive feel to it , but I also think it will pay off long term with less maintenance and parts required to keep it strong.
This is the only way I would look to make big HP using what he has already!
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: B1Fish540]
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01/07/11 12:36 PM
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For all out heads(non-Hemi) in order of power and flow:
*Indy Wedge(440-1, 572-13)
*B1(MC, PSO)
*Predator
The b1-TS head should be in that equation right around the Predator.
Dont know why i forgot that one, Diablo...Only thing thats different is you need a Hemi block, correct me if I am wrong.
I know the two TS engines I have are both based on the Hemi Bolt pattern but I have read of some being used on modified RB blocks. But you are right the Hemi pattern is standard.
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Re: 1000 hp guys or better
[Re: Diablo]
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01/07/11 03:26 PM
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with 572-13 head you make a solid 950hp,, which would still be fast in a 2350lb car...
i know guys around here that made 1000 or a lil more then put it in their 3300lb car and run 8.80's,,, look at westcott's stick car making a lil under 1000 running 8.20's in a 3200lb car,,, those guys with over 1000 prob really had a lil over 900
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..he is just looking and getting a feel of what is out there and whats it doing..internet racing i guess....as far as heads he already have them so i really dont no much but they are the 13's...he has been working alot with the weather we have had here in nc and cant get to make alot of calls but say he has talk to a few that i gave the info on...we all no that every motor is diff. and every motor will not make the same...so thanks for the post and lets keep them coming it is good learing tread...also i would like to say i give a big 
here. All this time I thought my 572 B1 MC deal was makin' 1100 or more. 
my street ported [ray barton] stage v 's flow 455 at 700 lift ! ive got steel oliver rods , callies crank 4.750, in a non raised cam mopar block , diamond pistons 11.7 to 1 comp [pumpgas] 700 lift roller prosystems carb on a ray barton intake never had it dynoed but it made my 3910lb steet car go 9.60 at 141mph in a3000 lb car i bet it would go 8s on sheets gas !!! 
