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Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? #865283
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Has anyone tried holleys on the 440-25 intake? If I'm reading the NMCA rules for NSS right they allow them in the FX classes. I will probably have my stock edelbrocks reworked, just being curious.

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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: muntz1] #865284
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Jake tried them on Lens 63. He said it made better power on his Chassis Dyno with the Carter/Edelbrocks. The car went faster as with them as well. In September at Norwalk 8.99@150. Nice looking car by the way. I'm doing a 64 Belvedere. My neighbor is building a black 64 Polara 500. Both for N/SS.
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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: dvw] #865285
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Thanks for the reply. Looks like your car is comming along nicely. I didn't think it would make much difference but I'm looking for just alittle more power. Didn't get the car going until late in the year and didn't get very much T&T done to get it where it should be. It's even going to be harder to T&T with gateway in St. Louis closing. I'm going to try and take some weight out and add a vacuum pump for a winter project. Would like to try injection but i don't think I'm ready to tackle stacks yet.

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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: muntz1] #865286
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Chuck at Best Machine ran them on his 440-25 when he had it.

Paul Habura tested with them on the dyno, he actually got a set of his eddy's to darn near match the performance of the holleys.

You also have to get different plates for the top of the intake.

What does that car run? looks good!

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Casey, sat with you guys at the monster mopar weekend dinner and had a good time.
That weekend was the first time out and was fighting the pushbuttons comming out of adjustment. Found that the motor was moving so much it was pulling on the cables(scary thought) - the poly trans mount seperated and I guess the front limiter wasn't doing its job. Next time out the tires wouldn't hook and were rubbing the front of the wheel opening (replaced tires and made adjustments to the ladder bars).
Finally made some good passes the last day Gateway was open and ran a 9.70. Made a few changes and it was eliminations - 60 footed and ran better at the 1000' mark before i had to lift and still broke out. Think it would have run a high 9.60. alittle more tuning and I think I'll be ready for the 9.75 class.

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ohhhhhhh ok. I thought that car looked familiar!

Sounds like your starting to get a handle on it! little more tuning and you should be right there. In my opinion though I wouldnt make the switch to holley's... eddy's are easy to work with once you work with them a while.

what motor is in there again? Its a best machine motor right?

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keleno block, 540ci, 14.1 comp, steel rods, some old 383-13 heads, and best machine's bracket cam - yes, Chuck put it together. Great guy to deal with. The edelbrocks are definiely easy to work on. Thinking of having Damon work them over. I was told that removing just the choke horn was worth 11 hp but don't know if it is true.
Picture of your car from the monster

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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: muntz1] #865290
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Hey good to hear the car is running good! Have Damon do your carbs he is very good on these carbs and a good friend.Can't wait for next Monster...we can tear the beer up again
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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: muntz1] #865291
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Thanks for the pic!

and that is a stout motor you got there for sure! Chuck has helped us a lot over the years. we actually run is old indy 440-25

I would recommend getting some of Damons carbs for sure. Thats what we run as a matter of fact. If you do decide you want to go to holleys let me know. I have the carb plates that you need you can have them.

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You also have to get different plates for the top of the intake.







Ken Lazarri drilled my carb plate with dual pattern, so that I can either run Holleys sideways or Edelbrocks .

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Re: Indy 440-25 + Holleys = ? [Re: Whompin_Wedge] #865293
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Always ready for a Thanks for the offer on the plates, I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet but will probably stick with the edelbrocks.
I'd love to put stack injection on it but I don't know if I'm ready for the extra work. A toilet would be cool but I don't think it is "era-correct"

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haha yea stacks would be cool. Im with you tho, toooo much work. You going to run the Monster this year? wherever it may be? im guessing indy but not sure yet.

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We will be there for sure. Going to try and make several events this comming summer if our schedule allows. With an 11 year old that loves sports we are very busy.

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My engine is a 505, Victor Max wedge heads, Rick Allison cross ram, and 835 Ken Jones Holly carbs. How much HP could be added using the Indy set up Also can they be inline or only sideways My current engine is 730 hp on pump gas and 10.75:1

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As I remember AndyF did a test and it was worth 70hp. The holleys would have to be mounted sideway. From the looks of the above post from pentastar440 the linkage could be complicated. Didn't think of that.

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My engine is a 505, Victor Max wedge heads, Rick Allison cross ram, and 835 Ken Jones Holly carbs. How much HP could be added using the Indy set up Also can they be inline or only sideways My current engine is 730 hp on pump gas and 10.75:1 [/quote
I dynoed my old 498 with one of the first ever Indy manifolds. Crossram 658@5750, Indy 707@6750. It was good for 49 HP and 1000 rpm in engine speed. With the right combo its worth probably close to 100HP. Don't give up on your Crossram yet. Treat the motor with its intended lower RPM level. You can go low 10.
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Thanks for the reply. Looks like your car is comming along nicely. I didn't think it would make much difference but I'm looking for just alittle more power. Didn't get the car going until late in the year and didn't get very much T&T done to get it where it should be. It's even going to be harder to T&T with gateway in St. Louis closing. I'm going to try and take some weight out and add a vacuum pump for a winter project. Would like to try injection but i don't think I'm ready to tackle stacks yet.

Dave



Talk to Clay Kossuth about the injection. He has run it for awhile. I'd love to do it as well.
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My engine is a 505, Victor Max wedge heads, Rick Allison cross ram, and 835 Ken Jones Holly carbs. How much HP could be added using the Indy set up Also can they be inline or only sideways My current engine is 730 hp on pump gas and 10.75:1 [/quote
I dynoed my old 498 with one of the first ever Indy manifolds. Crossram [Email]658@5750[/Email], Indy [Email]707@6750.[/Email] It was good for 49 HP and 1000 rpm in engine speed. With the right combo its worth probably close to 100HP. Don't give up on your Crossram yet. Treat the motor with its intended lower RPM level. You can go low 10.
Doug





Thanks for the kind words but I'll need to put my self and the car on a diet to go that fast. Current weight with me is 4070lbs. I'm 246lbs.I'm going to glass bumpers, removing the under coating, dynamat, center consule, and going to plastic seats this winter. Hopefully that will help I could stand to drop 40-50lbs too

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I don’t understand why the Nostalgic Super Stock Club and NSS racing don’t allow Holleys on non hemi engines. It really gets me . They allow dual carbed intakes that look nothing like the originals so what is the deal on the carbs? They allow aluminum heads, The Nostalgic Super Stock Club even allows aluminum blocks. Does this seem strange or did I miss the boat on something

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I have talked to Clay about the stack injection and tried talking me into it - says the throttle response is insane and picked his car up a couple tenths. I have a couple friends that run toilets and say the same thing about the response. Don't think a toilet would be allowed in NSS/FX racing classes as a second option because it isn't era-correct.

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