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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: 340man4ever]
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11/28/10 01:42 AM
11/28/10 01:42 AM
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Charleston
sixpackgut
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hey Brandon, could you please buy some PSO heads from MM. we would all like a set. but make them look like stock heads
Thank You
Ray
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: B1Johnny]
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11/28/10 04:11 PM
11/28/10 04:11 PM
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Eighty Four, PA
B G Racing
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i started researching pso heads in sept of 2009,after owning a homemade set made by stan moore back in 1996.i talked to scott at norwalk in sept 2009,he did not have any for sale.he talked about moved centerline heads.i talked to mike at muscle motors he likes predators . on his website he says over 1100 hp they have head gasket problems.my friend stan had over 1300 in a 400 block filled to the top with hard block no problems with head gaskets.i met pete at norwalk in 2009 he had 5 sets of pso heads completely done.i asked him to hold a set for me which they did. i talked to dave rotter at brodix,who did alot of work on those heads for wayne county.he said the only way he would sell them is a special order you have to buy 5 sets,all you get is a casting.pete and chuck invested time money r&d to bring the best inline b1 head back from the dead.i thank them for that.in my mind they are the only ones doing it.i have been running b1 heads since 1993 on stock blocks when nothing was available. i am happy that companies like indy ,koleno,world,have given us blocks and best machine has given the best b1 head.it doesnt matter that brodix made the heads they are not doing anything with them .best did not copy koffel they did their own research.they do not have big egos they just want the best product for us mopar guys.best machine rocks  later johnny
Well put.before we took on the Indy line we set up a lot of SB Mopars with Brodex heads.These we all done by my son Curt.Everyone said we were running Koffel's B-1. 
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: B G Racing]
#864226
11/28/10 04:45 PM
11/28/10 04:45 PM
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detroit area
moderncylinder
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so what youre saying is that best machine are the only guys that should be selling this head?
there is major chest pounding and egos here the way i see it,, in the other post about b1 heads with al aguire,, pete was way over the top in my opinion
if a guy who was an engine builder bought a set from best because they were "available" at the time,, and that motor worked out good in his opinion then he had 3 guys who wanted the same thing,, he cannot try to improve on what he saw in their head and try to do his own version? i dont understand how that is wrong..
in mike's version,, i believe it will use the same valve position as the b1-mc so you could just bolt these on as an upgrade,, which i believe best's does too,, all that original r and d done by koffel... mikes head will also use the std spark plug hole position,, as r and d done by koffel again,, i believe the same as best's head..
best did do r and d to get rockers in a current set up,,, which i could throw the head in a box and jesel will do it for me if i wanted,,, or i could make stands based on what i want for segment length and so on,, ive done it many times before,, so its nothing new to me,, plus looking at the head from best i wouldnt do it that way anyways,, but its my opinion,,, nothing really wrong with what they did probably
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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11/28/10 06:34 PM
11/28/10 06:34 PM
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usa
Elwood
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Monte the head comes with no seats,guides,guide hole location, and a useable port. There are no rocker stand holes also. So what did I copy from Koffel? They did not develop the head in a useable state, ours are runable right out of the box. No other B-1 Head is runable out of the box. Anybody can buy the raw casting and take it from there, or copy someone elses money investment, time and hard work. We sent the head to piston companys to scan and rocker companys for rockers also. So Monte you are incorrect in your statement and I guess there are all kinds of low lifes in the world. And for everbodys information we will continue to offer the PSO Head that we developed and I use on my race car.
You guys didn't develop it, you had other people improve on it and then called it yours.
I'd say, along with slicing bread and claiming any and all B-1 head use, you guys have are gonna have a hard time topping yourselves. What's next? Walking on water? Curing Cancer?
Just my 
Elwood
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: 90ram]
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11/28/10 08:52 PM
11/28/10 08:52 PM
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usa
90ram
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Does anybody know who sells them? [/quote
Wow I didn't know this would 
I just want to buy a set, We are Mopar People and We have to Spend twice as much and work twice as hard than the other brands! We need to be like a Army and work together. The Fight should be on the Track against brand X. You can't Win a War if the Soldiers don't sick together.
I want to thank,Andy F, B-1Fish 540, Modern Cylinder and Pete Bestmachine for Understanding the question
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: 340man4ever]
#864230
11/29/10 01:26 AM
11/29/10 01:26 AM
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ky hills
thehemikid
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...Fwiw, ...little piece of info, its barely related. I 1989/90 I went to visit an old Tool & Die maker in Fairfield Il, Ed Ritcherson, (last name may be off, its been awhile) about going into Tool Grinding, noticed a red hat hanging on the wall with Wayne County's car on it. He explained how Wayne County brought him a ported head for him to make a cutter that would do the bowl, then he gave me the hat.
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: thehemikid]
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11/29/10 10:35 AM
11/29/10 10:35 AM
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Posts like this really bother me when people start flinging mud. Reputations of businesses are at stake, and personal reputations as well. I have no interest in who comes out looking the best, just upset when I read some of the crap posted here. If you feel offended by that last statement, better do a little self assessment.
Most of the offenders don't even realize the damage they do. How many guys make a poor decision based on some crap that got posted? Unfortunately too many.
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: fishy340]
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11/29/10 12:02 PM
11/29/10 12:02 PM
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Ohio
theclutcher
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 i'f this was oprah i'd give all u guys a set of pso heads.
can I just have digitizer and 5 axis cnc time?
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: theclutcher]
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11/29/10 12:24 PM
11/29/10 12:24 PM
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Tampa Fl
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90Ram.....it might be a good thing there isn't any of the PSO heads around.....Think If you kill one head(stuff happens)where would you get another one??????think how much money you will have in the valve train...think about that sheet metal intake.. the headers...the valve cover rail spacer.. I could go on and on and on.. you kill a B1Mc head you can get another one...NO ONE HAS said when they are gonna order a run of the raw castings!!!! It takes a good bit of money and time.. Best layed out some for the OLD CASTINGS They bought form Koffels........this was in 05/06.. .......FOR THE GAINS ITS NOT WORTH IT..... 90Ram PM me with a Phone Number.. If you want more .. PS.when the B1MC head came out it was worse then this.. RIGHT SCOTT  HAVE A NICE DAY
Remember in here some don't think you should have a Opinion.. sad fact..
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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11/29/10 01:05 PM
11/29/10 01:05 PM
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Monte_Smith
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Wrong again Monte, the PSO head is a raw casting not developed, thats up to the user. And yes we we the frist to offer the casting finish and runable out of the box. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you post wrong info. Yes someone did buy are heads and took them to shop to have them checked out, wonder why? but that realy is a compliment to us, so thanks.
How am I wrong. I SAID the PSO and TS was NOT useable from Brodix. As for you guys having the first useable one.....not hardly. I saw some PSO heads on a running motor at Koffels, over 10 years ago.
Monte
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Re: PSO Heads
[Re: 340man4ever]
#864237
11/29/10 01:39 PM
11/29/10 01:39 PM
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Lansing, MI
MuscleMike
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I guess I'll jump in and claify a few things. I have worked with Jeff on 2 different versions of a PSO head. One has Stock valve spacing and sizes (2.300/1.78) and stock valve angle(15 degrees). A drop on replacement if you will. The second is a MC version with 2.400,1.810 valve sizing and valve angle (15 degrees). Most of the time I use Jesel rockers when I build B1 headed engines. The first few sets of PSO heads I did were completed in 2009. The story of the dragster that ran @ Monster Mopar on my web site competed in 2009. Did I buy a set of machined heads from Best? Yup! I did earlier this year (2010) but it was NOT with the intention of "cloning" the head. I had a customer who was in a big rush and I could not get the raw castings, machine them and have the engine done in time for the customer. Chuck and Pete were selling machined heads very reasonable so to save time and get the customer out and going I used "their" design head. 2.400, 1.810 but I beleive it had a 13 or 14 degree valve angle. So I used their valve lenght, fly cut the pistons, used the rockers that T&D set up and that was that. The Best version has a larger runner volume than what I do and a different valve angle. Pete has been working on his PSO project for some time and his car flys. I commend him for his hard work and I would not "steal" his efforts. Are their similarities, some. A 2.400 is the biggest pratical valve that fits in a wedge head on a 4.500 bore. This is not specific to Best of MM. If my version had the same runner volume and valve location/angle call me a theif. But they don't, so save the mud slinging! My theory was to make a version of a PSO head that was more of a true drop on replacement (IE no piston modification necessary)of exisiting B1 headed combinations. The PSO can be a great upgrade for someone who doesn't want to make the leap to Predators. To qoute Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?" I thought the GM and Ford guys were the enemies?  Mike @MM
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