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How many hours does this take... #829716 10/14/10 03:56 PM 10/14/10 03:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 180 Chicagoland cudastruction OP member
cudastruction OP member Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 180 Chicagoland	My cuda has been epoxy primed and the shop needs to mock up the front end (install the fenders, doors, hood hinges, hood, header panel and front valence - basically all the front end sheet metal) since they have finished repairing some rust damage. They want to make sure that everything is aligned properly and the gaps are all good before moving on to the rear half of the car. How many hours should I expect for this work? Al

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829717 10/14/10 04:13 PM 10/14/10 04:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington ph23vo I Live Here
ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	about 4 hours dan

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829718 10/14/10 07:16 PM 10/14/10 07:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat	to many variables to say with any certainty. depends on how straight the chassis is, depends on how good the replacement sheetmetal is, depends on how much of a perfectionist either of you are

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: gtx6970] #829719 10/14/10 08:05 PM 10/14/10 08:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 291 O otter440 enthusiast
otter440 enthusiast O Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 291	I agree all depends on lots of variables.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: gtx6970] #829720 10/14/10 08:16 PM 10/14/10 08:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 180 Chicagoland cudastruction OP member
cudastruction OP member Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 180 Chicagoland	I guess I don't get it. How variable can the amount of hours be to hang doors, a hood, fenders and a valence. I understand getting all the gaps "perfect" is subjective but how variable can those hours possibly be? Lets assume this...the rust damage has been cut out and repaired correctly and all body measurements are within 1/4" of factory specs. Does that reduce the "variables" and make this question a little more reasonable?

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829721 10/14/10 08:55 PM 10/14/10 08:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru domingo EL Master
domingo EL Master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru	4 hours should be plenty. If they know what they are doing as little as 1,5 to 2 hours between 2 guys.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829722 10/15/10 09:05 AM 10/15/10 09:05 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee master
sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	There have been cars that took me 15 minutes to hang one door and an hour for the other side. I would say anywhere between 4 and 8 hours for me. I do work alone and am a perfectionist so the hours are more than some. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: sixpackbee] #829723 10/15/10 09:34 AM 10/15/10 09:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,304 WI RestoRick top fuel
RestoRick top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,304 WI	And if you have some ill-fitting panels and are going for a "better than original" fitment that requires edge metalwork, you'll likely be on the high end of those hours or even more.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829724 10/15/10 09:45 AM 10/15/10 09:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: I guess I don't get it. How variable can the amount of hours be to hang doors, a hood, fenders and a valence. I understand getting all the gaps "perfect" is subjective but how variable can those hours possibly be? Lets assume this...the rust damage has been cut out and repaired correctly and all body measurements are within 1/4" of factory specs. Does that reduce the "variables" and make this question a little more reasonable? I would guess you've never done this before? I've spent half a day aligning the hood only to find out the front end was out of square.... I would say 8 hours if everything goes easy and the hydraulic power puller stays in the cabinet.. *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: anlauto] #829725 10/15/10 09:48 AM 10/15/10 09:48 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: I guess I don't get it. How variable can the amount of hours be to hang doors, a hood, fenders and a valence. I understand getting all the gaps "perfect" is subjective but how variable can those hours possibly be? Lets assume this...the rust damage has been cut out and repaired correctly and all body measurements are within 1/4" of factory specs. Does that reduce the "variables" and make this question a little more reasonable? I would guess you've never done this before? I've spent half a day aligning the hood only to find out the front end was out of square.... I would say 8 hours if everything goes easy and the hydraulic power pulley stays in the cabinet.. 4 hours is on the low side, if 2 guys do it then 4 hours is 8 hours...

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: Challenger 1] #829726 10/15/10 10:00 AM 10/15/10 10:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru domingo EL Master
domingo EL Master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru	That is right, like I said....in between 1,5 hours to 4 hours between 2 guys....its a 2 man job. Like Rick said, if trying to get better than factory gaps, and then have to do tin work and stuff like that....forget it....it will be a lot more.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829727 10/15/10 01:21 PM 10/15/10 01:21 PM
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jbc426 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,285 West Coast, USA	They also have to know to start i.e. aligning the rear of the doors to the front of the quarters and work forward. Mine were original pieces and it still took about 12 hours to align the doors and front-end. It came out much better than the factory alignment though.... 6251867-IMG_1037(Large).jpg (39 downloads) 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: jbc426] #829728 10/15/10 01:46 PM 10/15/10 01:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 15,995 RI Deep in the rust belt	It sounds like you have a shop that is doing things the right way. Unless they charge you some crazy amount of money. Tell the shop that you want to be notified if they think the job will take more than 4-6 hours. If they are having issues aligning the panels,you want to be informed. I will tell you that 70 - 74 Cuda's are more differcult to align the nose on than a Challenger is,due to the headder panel. The fenders and headder panel all have to fit as a unit,and the hood has to jive with all three peices. The Challenger gives you more play to move the fenders and hood around. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: chargervert] #829729 10/15/10 01:54 PM 10/15/10 01:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada anlauto I Live Here
anlauto I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,854 Georgetown Ontario Canada	Quote: I will tell you that 70 - 74 Cuda's are more differcult to align the nose on than a Challenger is,due to the headder panel. The fenders and headder panel all have to fit as a unit,and the hood has to jive with all three peices. The Challenger gives you more play to move the fenders and hood around. Amen brother...ain't that the truth *CHECK OUT MY NEW WEB SITE !*

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829730 10/15/10 02:52 PM 10/15/10 02:52 PM
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cudastruction OP member Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 180 Chicagoland	Thanks for the replies. I don't have experience with this so I wanted some knowledge. Here is another...(again assume the measurements are within 1/4" factory specs. The car is in a rack and all squared up) How many hours to install the front section of the floor pan (welding in place). The replacement is already sitting in place and has been tweaked and trimmed. There may need additional tweaks but it is sitting in place and has already been welded to the front subframe just not the rockers, firewall and floor support brackets off the rockers. Al

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829731 10/16/10 12:08 AM 10/16/10 12:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru domingo EL Master
domingo EL Master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru	Not being able to see it exactly, Id say its a one man job....about 4 hours??? seems the hard part is all done already!!!

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: domingo] #829732 10/17/10 04:18 PM 10/17/10 04:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 417 Caledon, Ontario smac77 mopar
smac77 mopar Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 417 Caledon, Ontario	This is an easy one to answer.... it'll take anywhere between one hour with two guys if everything lines up bang on first shot with zero adjustments...(not very likely) to one hundred hours (or more)if the guys welded the car together improperly without fitting all the stuff first, and it all needs to be redone.... don't laugh, I'm fixing someone else's night-mare right now in my shop. The previous "shop" did the back end of the car so poorly, they cut a 2" inch section out of the valance to try and get it to fit between the new 1'4's they put on crooked... needless to say, all of the work this shop did is now sitting out back in my scrap metal pile... My point is... it just takes the time it takes to do it right... and no offence to anyone who's tried to throw in their on this but,none of us knows how much rust repair work has been done, or the skill of the guys who did it. The correct answer can only come from the guys working on it... Last edited by smac77; 10/17/10 04:40 PM. Restoration, Sales and Canadian Distributor For: AMD Sheetmetal Wizzard Direct Fit, Bolt In Aluminum Radiators Legendary Interiors SSBC & Wilwood Brakes Control Freak Suspensions Fine lines Tubing and many more... www.macleanclassics.com

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: cudastruction] #829733 10/18/10 09:55 AM 10/18/10 09:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida elitecustombody pro stock
elitecustombody pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida	Why didn't they fit all the panels before epoxy? As it's been said, there are too may variables with the lack of details presented. It would be 2-4 hours for one man if the sheetmetal had perfect gaps and fitment before tearing it apart.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: domingo] #829734 10/18/10 11:39 AM 10/18/10 11:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru domingo EL Master
domingo EL Master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,670 Lima, Peru	Thats right. Its a 4 hour 1 man job if the provious work was done right. If it wasnt it will be even more work than if nothing had been done at all. Really, like a previous poster said, it takes what it takes. Its very hard to estimate labour times on a restoration. There are many variables and you cant really tell how much time will it take till your are done doing what you had to do. Maybe you take a floor pan out and you find there was hidden rust....then your estimates are all wrong.

Re: How many hours does this take... [Re: elitecustombody] #829735 10/18/10 01:57 PM 10/18/10 01:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA Silver70 I Live Here
Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	Quote: Why didn't they fit all the panels before epoxy? Not sure why your asking, but the reason I would epoxy the parts first is so there wouldn't get rusty from handling them or sitting. When I striped a panel, blast and strip, either/both its epoxied right away. I do my body work over it also. 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

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