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Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. #818871
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I am thinking of building a 650 hp hemi for my 67 Coronet drag car. Thinking of around a 4K stall and foot brake launches. I have a 742 case 8 3/4 with MW spool 3.91 gears and 35 spline axles and 1350 joint in the car now with cal-tracs. Do you think this rear could handle the hemi?
I know put a dana in and forget-about it, but since my 8 3/4 is already in there thought I ask for opinions.

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Unless your car is super light go with the dana

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I have the same 8 3/4 setup with the mw spool 35 spline axles 1350 yokes and joints. My 499 makes 650-700 h.p. my car weighs 3740 with me in it. foot brake. 8" 5000 converter. Only has 8 passes on it but its not broke yet. Im going to run it. I cant afford a 60 and to build a 9" that will hold up it would cost the same. I spent all my money building this stupid 8 3/4


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Last time I was at the track with my 67 Coronet (470, 727, 3.91 w/ spool, drag radials, no spray), all steel/interior, after I got home I pulled the 742 8 3/4 apart to check and make sure all was good. Let's just say things happen in 3's. I will say this tho, I was happy that it lasted as long as it did. But, called Dr. Diff to set me up... now there's a Dana... and the rest is history.

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Spend the money once and be done with it, go with the Dana. The 8 3/4 will eventually break and will take the trans with, at least it did in my car. Dana has been in the car for 3 seasons have not touched it. 1.3 60's @ 3500#

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It is hard to spend the money once when the bolth of us already have 8 3/4's done. So its twice for us either way!!


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where does a guy buy a dana? Any Idea on what they are going for?


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where does a guy buy a dana? Any Idea on what they are going for?




dr. diff can set you up , about 2k

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where does a guy buy a dana? Any Idea on what they are going for?




dr. diff can set you up , about 2k




Contact Dr. Diff... he's da man!

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He set me up with all my 8 3/4 stuff.


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I had an 8 3/4 when I was racing this time last year. 10.60-70's at 3750lbs. But I witnessed a guy break an 8 3/4 at the Chrys Classic Norwalk last year, they were pitted a couple spaces away they put another center section in,& drove to the starting line, started to do a burnout and windowed the floor and part of the dash, the 727 came apart like a grenade !
After that I thought about it and it's just good insurance, and PEACE OF MIND, when your on the starting line. my

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I am thinking of building a 650 hp hemi for my 67 Coronet drag car. Thinking of around a 4K stall and foot brake launches. I have a 742 case 8 3/4 with MW spool 3.91 gears and 35 spline axles and 1350 joint in the car now with cal-tracs. Do you think this rear could handle the hemi?
I know put a dana in and forget-about it, but since my 8 3/4 is already in there thought I ask for opinions.

Thanks.




We blew up 3 of them last year with our mild hemi....Oh, and one drive shaft!

Hemi's eat 8-3/4 rears....The fourth one is still alive under the car so far this year, but its not stock anymore, and two weeks ago, I bent all 10 of the 3" long wheel studs on it. Now it needs the 5/8" studs...

And this is a pump gas street car with a very mild hemi that I got to run 11.1 in. We put milder gears in it last week and went from 4.30's to 3.91's and it didn't even slow it up 2-tenths. The car weighs 4010lbs with driver. Its running low 11.30's on street tires, mufflers at that weight....


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It is hard to spend the money once when the bolth of us already have 8 3/4's done. So its twice for us either way!!




Sell the 8-3/4 while its still in one peice and then the cost of the dana wont be so bad

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I would love to sell it but who would want one set up like this. If your going this route you might as well go with a 60. I was thinking of putting a 9" in it but to buy a good third member they arent cheap either. Maybe the 8 3/4 is broke now and thats what killed my trans.


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I would love to sell it but who would want one set up like this.




never know until you try

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I upped the power on my old 3350 pound 70 Duster a few years back to where when i brought it out that year, it ran 10.30's off the foot. It last 4 passes and grenaded, took the tranny out as well. Went Dana, upped the power even more, started using a brake, and never a peep again.

Anybody with 650 horsepower in a B body that makes way more torque than a smallblock should not even think twice about getting that 8.75 out of there, selling it, and buying a Dana for it.

This situation is definately( and i dont mean this in a bad way) an out and out no brainer


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I am thinking of building a 650 hp hemi for my 67 Coronet drag car. Thinking of around a 4K stall and foot brake launches. I have a 742 case 8 3/4 with MW spool 3.91 gears and 35 spline axles and 1350 joint in the car now with cal-tracs. Do you think this rear could handle the hemi?
I know put a dana in and forget-about it, but since my 8 3/4 is already in there thought I ask for opinions.

Thanks.




We blew up 3 of them last year with our mild hemi....Oh, and one drive shaft!

Hemi's eat 8-3/4 rears....The fourth one is still alive under the car so far this year, but its not stock anymore, and two weeks ago, I bent all 10 of the 3" long wheel studs on it. Now it needs the 5/8" studs...

And this is a pump gas street car with a very mild hemi that I got to run 11.1 in. We put milder gears in it last week and went from 4.30's to 3.91's and it didn't even slow it up 2-tenths. The car weighs 4010lbs with driver. Its running low 11.30's on street tires, mufflers at that weight....


Bent all ten studs??? Maybe a torque wrench would help.

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I would think the only way your rear end will stand a chance of holding up is if you install a billet cap. When I was putting my Challenger together I was going to put a Dana in it, but a couple of my friends said no dont do it and stupid me listen to them. I could have built the Dana for far less money.

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He set me up with all my 8 3/4 stuff.




Lets see Sell the 8 3/4 for around 60% lees than you bought it for. you can at least get back some of your investment. Buy a Dana 60 used or new with the best parts. 2k

Install the beast of a rear end and never look back. With the tork of a Hemi you better have a Dana..


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where does a guy buy a dana? Any Idea on what they are going for?


It depends of course just like many race parts, if you want all new with brakes the the price is more than if you buy a junkyard core and have it built it up I bought a junkyard core, Ford 3/4 ton pick up for $75.00, I bought new Moser axle ends for $125.00 with shipping, paid a local welder that had the narrowing jigs $125.00 to cut it down and weld the new ends and the old ladder bar brackets on it I bought a new Strange Engr.35 spline spool for it, right at $200.00 to the door. I reused the Strange Engr. 35 spline axles out of the 8 3/4 I had been running along with the complete rear brakes and I had to buy a pinion yoke, $130.00 w/ shipping. I have all the tools to set the pinion depth, backlash, press and remove the bearings and so on. I used a set of used 4:10 Dana gears out of another pick up rear end that I had sold to someone years ago that didn't want those gears and I did the labor on setting it up myself. Add the cost of the new bearings, seal and lube and it is still cheaper than a complete new one, the choice is yours. BTW, there is always someone who will buy your 8 3/4 parts, including the housing, if there not broken My car twisted the 8 3/4 housing up bad enough to rip the ladder bar bracket loose on the passneger side That happened on the starting line luckily, instead of when shifting into to 2nd or 3rd gear. The car did a immediate right turn into the other lane, and again luckily, I was a little bit late on the light and the other car was not there when my car went across into his lane I have seen cars totaled whern a part breaks during a run, don't take a chance on any parts if in doubt change it out


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If it was my car, I would put a few runs on it and see how it reacts(unless you can find a cheap junkyard Dana). It might hold up with that ratio(contact pattern) and small tires..
I ran a 8 3/4" in my Hemi roadrunner for 5 years and the only thing I broke was the suregrip(year 2). Then a spool went in it.
The specs on my car at that time..

3500lbs, 14X32 slicks, 5.33 and 5.50 pro gears,Strange axles and spool.... 10.60at 128+mph. I put a Dana in it because I found one with 35 spline axles for $100.


for what it's worth..Jimmy Addison used an 8 3/4" in the Silver Bullet.

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It is hard to spend the money once when the bolth of us already have 8 3/4's done. So its twice for us either way!!




Let me know how much it cost's you to fix the 8 3/4 AND transmission when it breaks! I've been there done that and it's not cheap. When I decided enough is enough I got a Dana from a pickup, knocked out the tubes installed chrome moly tubes, Mark Williams 40 spline gun drilled axles, MW aluminum spool, MW housing ends and Richmond pro gears for 2400.00 3yrs ago. Of course you need to find a narrowing jig to use and do the work yourself! When I was done the Dana was only 3 pounds more than the 8 3/4 it replaced! You can still sell the 8 3/4 at this point.

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Take your rear wheels and drums/rotors off. Measure from axle flange to axle flange. Call Moser and order one without spring perches installed. Swap brakes, install, set pinion angle and weld up perches. I was quoted 1800.00 plus freight, comes with spool, 35 spline axles, green bearings and choice of ratio. Don't forget to shorten driveshaft.

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where does a guy buy a dana? Any Idea on what they are going for?




Get a Dana from a pick up at Pick-n-Pull and have it narrowed, new ends, etc. You can reuse your axles if the same length my shorten them a tad...

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I would love to sell it but who would want one set up like this. If your going this route you might as well go with a 60. I was thinking of putting a 9" in it but to buy a good third member they arent cheap either. Maybe the 8 3/4 is broke now and thats what killed my trans.




Gosh I really hate to and sure don't want to beat a dead horse, but...9" phords break in heavy cars, too. Three words: Dana, Dana, Dana.

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I would love to sell it but who would want one set up like this. If your going this route you might as well go with a 60. I was thinking of putting a 9" in it but to buy a good third member they arent cheap either. Maybe the 8 3/4 is broke now and thats what killed my trans.




Gosh I really hate to and sure don't want to beat a dead horse, but...9" phords break in heavy cars, too. Three words: Dana, Dana, Dana.



i'd like to add one more word- dana.


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I would love to sell it but who would want one set up like this.




never know until you try




They sell and they're fine for street cars.

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Sell the 8-3/4 while its still in one peice and then the cost of the dana wont be so bad





yea what he said

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I have SB 416 4 speed T/A. Slow compared to what these guys are talking and I broke TWO 8.75's so far. The money I have dumped in the 8.75's would have almost bought me a Dana. Now I don't race that car anymore and am finishing a mild 528 hemi car that I put a Dana in. I learned.


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If I was gonna spend $$ for a race rear end it would be for a 9" because they have way more parts available for them and are alot easier to change ratios.

Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".

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You never said the weight BUT I run a 8 3/4 and have
for years... but my car is light... I currently run
the alum center and a back brace.... I have no plans
on putting a Dana in

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Spend the money once and be done with it, go with the Dana. The 8 3/4 will eventually break and will take the trans with, at least it did in my car. Dana has been in the car for 3 seasons have not touched it. 1.3 60's @ 3500#



Tally the cost of the broken 8 3/4 plus the trans plus at least one lost race days worth of expenses then add what you could get for it now and it will show you just how close you are to getting the Dana cheaply!


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It is hard to spend the money once when the bolth of us already have 8 3/4's done. So its twice for us either way!!




Sell the 8-3/4 while its still in one peice and then the cost of the dana wont be so bad


That is the right way to think about it. You might only get half what it cost to build that 8-3/4, but it will be a parts rear end (even harder to sell parts) when you break the gears, bend the housing, damage the trans sprag, etc.


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come on guys, everybody knows the 8 3/4 is bullet proof. thumperdart has been running one forever.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Quicktree] #818905
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Please, someone post the beaten horse.
Hey modds, why dont we just sticky a post like this so if anyone has a question like it they can refer to the sticky.
To the OP.
If you have to ask, you need one.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Challenger 1] #818906
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Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".




I guess I'm one of the many dummies here. Oh well we all can't be geniuses . It amazes how much people blow about 9" rears. If they are so strong why didn't Ford put them in their 3/4 ton trucks? A good 9" third member will cost as much or almost as much as a complete Dana.

Sell your 8 3/4" and buy a new Dana, I got alomst half of my Dana cost out of the 8 3/4. I broke one 8 3/4, had to tear the 727 down to check it out, that was enough for me.

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Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".




I guess I'm one of the many dummies here. Oh well we all can't be geniuses . It amazes how much people blow about 9" rears. If they are so strong why didn't Ford put them in their 3/4 ton trucks? A good 9" third member will cost as much or almost as much as a complete Dana.

Sell your 8 3/4" and buy a new Dana, I got alomst half of my Dana cost out of the 8 3/4. I broke one 8 3/4, had to tear the 727 down to check it out, that was enough for me.


because a truck is a truck and they already had a truck rear, guess what it was? and when people suggest a 9" they are not talking a passenger type stock rear. it's an aftermarket race piece. like it or not the 9" race rear is the racers choice on 90% of the cars you see at the track.

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Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".




I guess I'm one of the many dummies here. Oh well we all can't be geniuses . It amazes how much people blow about 9" rears. If they are so strong why didn't Ford put them in their 3/4 ton trucks? A good 9" third member will cost as much or almost as much as a complete Dana.

Sell your 8 3/4" and buy a new Dana, I got alomst half of my Dana cost out of the 8 3/4. I broke one 8 3/4, had to tear the 727 down to check it out, that was enough for me.


because a truck is a truck and they already had a truck rear, guess what it was? and when people suggest a 9" they are not talking a passenger type stock rear. it's an aftermarket race piece . like it or not the 9" race rear is the racers choice on 90% of the cars you see at the track.




I'll say 60%, there a lot of Danas where I race. For the costs I'll stay with my dana.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Quicktree] #818909
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9" rearends are the small block Chevy of the rearend world. That doesn't make them the best choice for all applications, however.

1. A comparable drag style 9" is more expensive to build than a 35 spline Dana 60

2. A comparable drag style 9" weighs virtually the same as a Dana 60

3. A 9" runs hotter and robs more HP than a Dana 60

4. A 9(+)" style rearend built STRONGER than a Dana 60 costs MUCH MORE and the parts availability is MUCH LESS.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: DoctorDiff] #818910
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9" rearends are the small block Chevy of the rearend world. That doesn't make them the best choice for all applications, however.

1. A comparable drag style 9" is more expensive to build than a 35 spline Dana 60

2. A comparable drag style 9" weighs virtually the same as a Dana 60

3. A 9" runs hotter and robs more HP than a Dana 60

4. A 9(+)" style rearend built STRONGER than a Dana 60 costs MUCH MORE and the parts availability is MUCH LESS.


maybe so, but the dana is HP limited. the 9-9.5 and larger are not. for the average bracket racer there is nothing wrong with a dana. if they had a drop out center section it would be even better but that would make it a 9" based rear

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All rearends are "HP limited". Pro Stock doesn't run Dana 60s and Top Fuel doesn't run 9.5" rearends.

Application is everything.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: DoctorDiff] #818912
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All rearends are "HP limited". Pro Stock doesn't run Dana 60s and Top Fuel doesn't run 9.5" rearends.

Application is everything.




Application is everything. I have a Strange Dana in my 416 Challenger T/A. I have a Dewco 9.5 in my race car. For the kind of racing most every weekend racers do the 9.5 is the best choice IMO. My brother has a fairly stout 8 3/4 in his BB Dart. He doesn't race it and therefore doesn't get much traction and it's fine for that.

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: theclutcher] #818913
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Please, someone post the beaten horse.
Hey modds, why dont we just sticky a post like this so if anyone has a question like it they can refer to the sticky.
To the OP.
If you have to ask, you need one.



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come on guys, everybody knows the 8 3/4 is bullet proof. thumperdart has been running one forever.


True statement.............but as YOU said, my 1.36 60 foots aren`t hooking(as you can see from my launch) so THAT`S my saving grace. 8 3/4`s rule.............ESPECIALLY in slow cars like mine.


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Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Thumperdart] #818915
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We are switching over to a Dana because they just look BAD A$$!!!!!! Really though, the cost is a huge variable. We were going to do the 9" because we are not biased at all. But for our application the Dana fit the budget the best and we know we cant hurt it. Oh yeah....It looks BAD A$$ to!!!!


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Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: justinp61] #818916
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Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".




I guess I'm one of the many dummies here. Oh well we all can't be geniuses . It amazes how much people blow about 9" rears. If they are so strong why didn't Ford put them in their 3/4 ton trucks? A good 9" third member will cost as much or almost as much as a complete Dana.






Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "dumb"

Just because your stuck in the 80s don't mean that everyone else has to be, a 9" is a much better choice for a race rearend, bar none!

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: actionange] #818917
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Please, someone post the beaten horse.
Hey modds, why dont we just sticky a post like this so if anyone has a question like it they can refer to the sticky.
To the OP.
If you have to ask, you need one.






I think you are forgetting that people come and go from this site all the time. New racers eager to learn come on here, read a quote like that and don't want to look dumb and then don't ask many questions. I don't mind responding every day to a different person the same info. To him it may very well be his first post, and probably is.
without the tolerance of many good people on this board, as well as else where, I would probably still be fighting my way out the the elevens instead of running in the eights.


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Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: gregsdart] #818918
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Please, someone post the beaten horse.
Hey modds, why dont we just sticky a post like this so if anyone has a question like it they can refer to the sticky.
To the OP.
If you have to ask, you need one.






I think you are forgetting that people come and go from this site all the time. New racers eager to learn come on here, read a quote like that and don't want to look dumb and then don't ask many questions. I don't mind responding every day to a different person the same info. To him it may very well be his first post, and probably is.
without the tolerance of many good people on this board, as well as else where, I would probably still be fighting my way out the the elevens instead of running in the eights.


and very well said, and nothing wrong with a little humor along the way. we deal with these posts on a monthly basis if not sooner.

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Some body should have told me the dana 60 is unbreakable, I would never have had the ones that blew in my trucks replaced after they broke. Nothing is unbreakable choose what you need carefully per application. And by the way a 9" ford maybe a good rear end but I saw 5 of them go out in several Ford Mustangs using them back in the 70s guess they grew unbreakable with age.???

Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: DoctorDiff] #818920
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Application is everything.




This is true.

My guess is that HP, torque and weight are the most significant variables.

What I'm getting at...............rather than posting blanket statements that chastise the various rearends............

maybe, we can collectively determine the limits of weight vs HP that each can take?????

Like what HP level can an 8&3/4 handle in a lite A-body vs a B-body???

My B-body is 3400 lbs, where's the limit with a 383/hi-stall auto or a 440/4 speed?

Help the dummy out here.

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Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #818921
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I think it would be hard to put a horsepower,weight limit on the 8 3/4. If so what can mine handle? 3740 lbs, 8" 5000 converter,foot brake, 35 sline m/w axles, spool, motive 3.91 gears, back brace and m/w caps and studs. I would asume that it would just be a guess?


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Re: Dana or 8 3/4.. I know.. I know, but just asking.. [Re: Challenger 1] #818922
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Don't be a dumb, buy a 9".




I guess I'm one of the many dummies here. Oh well we all can't be geniuses . It amazes how much people blow about 9" rears. If they are so strong why didn't Ford put them in their 3/4 ton trucks? A good 9" third member will cost as much or almost as much as a complete Dana.






Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "dumb"

Just because your stuck in the 80s don't mean that everyone else has to be, a 9" is a much better choice for a race rearend, bar none!




For my car the Dana is the best choice, obviously not the best for all applications, but I never said that it was. If the 9" was the end all of rear ends they would be in everything with wheels. I'm going to go to the shop now and listen to some hair bands and polish the cover on my Dana.

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