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Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: GTX MATT] #798802
09/12/10 01:13 AM
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Double check the cam and make sure that its not for a 426 hemi




Ouch... Actually it wouldn't run because that would effect all cylinders equally... Which is what is odd about this whole thing cause anything related to cam timing would be effecting all cylinders too... Unless theres a problem with how the cam was ground or the condition of the lobes... The fact all cylinders show good compression makes that unlikely... Which is why I liked the firing order idea but thats been double checked sooo....

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: GTX MATT] #798803
09/12/10 01:17 AM
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Double check the cam and make sure that its not for a 426 hemi




Ouch...

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #798804
09/12/10 01:22 AM
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Double check the cam and make sure that its not for a 426 hemi




Ouch... Actually it wouldn't run because that would effect all cylinders equally... Which is what is odd about this whole thing cause anything related to cam timing would be effecting all cylinders too... Unless theres a problem with how the cam was ground or the condition of the lobes... The fact all cylinders show good compression makes that unlikely... Which is why I liked the firing order idea but thats been double checked sooo....




Good point, the compression test would have turned back something odd.

Heres and odd question open to your judgement, does it sound like an 8 cylinder engine?

Last edited by GTX MATT; 09/12/10 01:24 AM.

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Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: E85-408] #798805
09/12/10 01:29 AM
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Your NOT using the MP chart to set lash? Correct. I hope so.I assume the plug wires are installed correctly. Did you drop a plug? I'd remove them all and have a look maybe you will find a cylinder to look at more closely. You don't need a degree wheel or to remove the timing cover to confirm cam timing. PM me if you exhaust all these other simple things.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: GTX MATT] #798806
09/12/10 01:32 AM
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Yes the first split sec after it fires sounds like an 8 then it goes down hill. Another thing not sure if it will help but twisting the dist much either way has little effect not like it should which makes me think vaccum leak but cant find it even did the spray can around mating surfaces to hear a difference.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: goldmember] #798807
09/12/10 01:40 AM
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Your NOT using the MP chart to set lash? Correct. I hope so.I assume the plug wires are installed correctly. Did you drop a plug? I'd remove them all and have a look maybe you will find a cylinder to look at more closely. You don't need a degree wheel or to remove the timing cover to confirm cam timing. PM me if you exhaust all these other simple things.




Ive set the lash 3-4times now I just use the starter bumper until I see the intake close one more bump and then set it. With plugs in or the starter bump rotates the motor too far. I dropped the number 6 plug more times then I care to think about but make sure I didnt smash it closed. 440 with TTI headers in a dart with inner fenders is a royal pain to change. I'll run through all again tomorrow see if I over looked anything.

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Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: E85-408] #798808
09/12/10 01:41 AM
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IF it's a vac leak the bathtub gasket may have a leak on the underside


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Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: RapidRobert] #798809
09/12/10 01:44 AM
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do you have the wires in the correct order for a 440? BB dist rotate counter-clockwise, so your firing order may be correct for a SB but not BB. I just mention this because you mentioned having had SBs before. Just thinking out loud.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: E85-408] #798810
09/12/10 01:51 AM
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Your NOT using the MP chart to set lash? Correct. I hope so.I assume the plug wires are installed correctly. Did you drop a plug? I'd remove them all and have a look maybe you will find a cylinder to look at more closely. You don't need a degree wheel or to remove the timing cover to confirm cam timing. PM me if you exhaust all these other simple things.




Ive set the lash 3-4times now I just use the starter bumper until I see the intake close one more bump and then set it. With plugs in or the starter bump rotates the motor too far. I dropped the number 6 plug more times then I care to think about but make sure I didnt smash it closed. 440 with TTI headers in a dart with inner fenders is a royal pain to change. I'll run through all again tomorrow see if I over looked anything.


Change the number 6 plug if you have kept up with it and not moved it to another hole.. Plugs are easily damaged without smashing them closed. Try it,easy and cheap.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: Baxter61] #798811
09/12/10 08:07 AM
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BB dist rotate counter-clockwise, so your firing order may be correct for a SB but not BB.




Double check this, it's bit me before. Almost unbelievably, the thing would run but very poorly, firing order correct but direction of rotation wrong.

John

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: E85-408] #798812
09/12/10 02:06 PM
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Ive set the lash 3-4times now I just use the starter bumper until I see the intake close one more bump and then set it. With plugs in or the starter bump rotates the motor too far.




This isn't the correct way to set valves.
The MP chart works with sold flat tappet and small roller cams.

Without the MP chart;
Set the int just as the exh begins to open.
Set the exh just before the int fully closes.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: B5 Bee] #798813
09/12/10 06:58 PM
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Went through everything again...you name it I checked it. After a full body fit I had an idea I yanked the pvc tube off the back of the carb and fired it up. There was zero difference. I got the thickest oil out I could find and covered the intake mating surfaces. Fired it up and watched the oil get sucked it. New gasket should be here in awhile.

Big thanks for all the replies.

Re: changed cams......pops out the exhaust now [Re: E85-408] #798814
09/13/10 02:48 PM
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Changed intake gasket and runs like a champ. Finally got to break in cam and put some miles on it. The popping was gone right after I changed the gasket. Sad to have missed monster mopar weekend(was suppose to race) but glad its running again.

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