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stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results #789319
08/31/10 05:01 PM
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I ran my Volare with a stock 98 318 with airgap intake,750 vac carb, headers, 3000 stall, 727 and 4.10 gear a couple weeks ago and it was running 14.4@ 94 mph.

I did only a cam and valve spring change and went back. I put the Comp XR265 in it. its .506/.506 216/224 @.050 and 265/273 adv duration.

Car ran some 13.5's @ 102.5 mph. Still running 2.0 60' so I know there is more in it. I did not play with it as I was racing. I lost 4th round with a breakout

Was a real good gain.


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: Glen440] #789320
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8mph and almost 1 second increase from a cam change? Very nice

How much does you car weigh?


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: HotRodDave] #789321
09/01/10 12:31 AM
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Any cam change is an upgrade from the stock Magnum cams. They barely bump the valves off their seat. Is the new cam a roller too?

Killer improvement Glen. Any modifications to the heads to run the higher lift?

Few can claim a one second improvement from one mod.


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: Magnum] #789322
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The comp XR cams are hydraulic roller cams.

I don't know what springs he used but the GM V6 springs can handle that with no mods to the heads. I think huges also sells springs that will work as well as mopar performance.


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: HotRodDave] #789323
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Car is around 3400lbs.

I used hughes 1110 springs with their retainers. I had .045 clearance to the valve seal at full lift. Was around .550 with valve shut.

My cam selection was based mostly on not taking the heads off.

Once I get the 60' sorted out I expect low 13's and better air will help as well.


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: HotRodDave] #789324
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good results! who says you need a big cam to go fast? my junk is similar to yours, but in a heavier 5th ave, with 3.55's and an A500 (low first gear). my cam is a reground stocker, it's 208@.050and .506" lift......both our cams are pretty aggressive, lobe wise. mine is 259@.006" lift, [Email]208@.050[/Email], and 127@.2" with .318" lobe lift....yours, according to the comp lobe catalog (looks to be lobe #3303) is 265@.006", 216@.050, and 136"@.200" with the same lobe lift.

for comparison to a flat tappet hydraulic, a comp XE262 is 262@.006, 218@.050, 130@.200", with .308" lobe lift, while an XE268 is 268@.006", 224@.050, and 137@.200" with .318" lobe lift.

could you snap a pic of the retainers next time you have the valve cover off?

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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: patrick] #789325
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The retainer is just a plain steel retainer for the 8mm valve stem and a single spring. I will be in the valve covers at some point and will snap a pic.

An interesting thing I noticed is what happened to the cylinder pressure. I had 180 before the swap and 155 after.

This engine had 270 000km on it before I did rings and bearings. It really should have gotten a bore and new pistons as the cylinders are not round anymore. I'm sure if it was healthier and with a zero deck piston I could likely hit high 12's.

I had a big block in this car that was slower



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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: Glen440] #789326
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Quote:

The retainer is just a plain steel retainer for the 8mm valve stem and a single spring. I will be in the valve covers at some point and will snap a pic.

An interesting thing I noticed is what happened to the cylinder pressure. I had 180 before the swap and 155 after.

This engine had 270 000km on it before I did rings and bearings. It really should have gotten a bore and new pistons as the cylinders are not round anymore. I'm sure if it was healthier and with a zero deck piston I could likely hit high 12's.

I had a big block in this car that was slower






I was just wondering if the retainer had any dish or was a flat steel retainer...did you measure what your installed height was with their retainers? IIRC mine, the 2.2L retainers with no valve job done to the head was ~1.60"...I purposely had the seats sunk a skoash to get 1.63" IH.

my regrind is in that same range, compression check of 155-160 or so.

in hind sight, I kinda wish I woulda decked the block .040. mine was .055" in the hole, which currently yields 9:1 comp even. had I decked it .040, I'd have about 10:1 with .043" quench (using the thin Mr. gasket head gaskets)....

one thing I forgot to do on mine was replace the freeze plugs on the block, and now one is leaking

that's awesome to see a nearly stock 'teen outmuscle a big block!


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: patrick] #789327
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That is an awesome gain!


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Re: stock 98 318 vs comp XR265, results [Re: patrick] #789328
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They are a flat retainer. I did not measure installed height, the heads do have a valve job. I also used the head gasket that came in the gasket set from chrysler and was around .060 thick. We were laughing when I measured it. I have no idea how much valve to piston clearance it has, would love to set quench at .040.


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