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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: gtx6970]
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07/19/08 07:34 PM
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Might I ask , if only 2 reproduction parts were used and I'm assuming these 2 are the carpet and package tray.
Who's brake , trans and fuel lines were used in this resto. What about the seat covers.
Hi Bill,
I'll fess up on the lines.  Steve was able to come up with line stock from an independent parts house that has been in business since the 40's. The material was definitely from the 1970's era and he bent it to match a set from one of his original Challengers. It is about the closest thing to "NOS" you can possibly find. (I consider it to be NOS stock!) If you see it in person it even looks different than any of the reproduction stuff that is out there. It is also bent correctly; unlike the reproduction items!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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#77324
07/19/08 09:07 PM
07/19/08 09:07 PM
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Hi Dave, Yea, no problem, just thought I'd mention it just in case. On the hose stampings, the first one is looking good, maybe a bit too bright and not smeared as much as most originals I've seen, I'm talking fine tuning here, looking good overall. On the KV I would say the font isn't quite right yet, the original looks a bit heavier/squatier, and the originals ink looks to have been applied thinner, a shade more yellow, and not so clear and bright overall. 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/19/08 10:05 PM
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So when its all said and done,is the plastic bubble for this car also N.O.S. ?  Just couldn't help myself! 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: Blues_Cuda]
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07/19/08 11:38 PM
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VIN tag and dash pad detail  . (I purposely made the # hard to read...if somebody wants to know what it is, please ask Dave.)
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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07/20/08 03:21 AM
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On the hose stampings, the first one is looking good, maybe a bit too bright and not smeared as much as most originals I've seen, I'm talking fine tuning here, looking good overall.
On the KV I would say the font isn't quite right yet, the original looks a bit heavier/squatier, and the originals ink looks to have been applied thinner, a shade more yellow, and not so clear and bright overall.
On the heater hose I used the best case scenario with what I selected to reproduce. I disagree with regards to the KV hose Scott. Keep in mind the original one is 35 (or more) years old and the ink has definitely turned dingy and dirty over time. I will never reproduce degradation in any of my products. The “Font” is a perfect representation of the sample I used to format my stamping from. Notice the sample hoses posted below. Every one of them are original. Every one is a different thickness, color lettering and spacing. I would have an infinite number of plates to manufacture and would go out of business if I tried to match every variance. The variation you see in the letter size (my earlier picture) might be because the original hose is a larger OD than the sample I printed on. That will cause the “squatier” appearance you referred to. When making this artwork I started out finding a font that was as close to the original as possible. I used Avant Garde BT in a medium configuration. After matching the point size I applied a .05 white stroke to the outside perimeter of the letters. I then converted the font to outlines which actually no longer makes them a font. I then made the lettering 105% larger horizontally and 104% larger vertically. I tweaked the vector points to perfectly overlay the scan of my original sample. Keep in mind that EVERY stamp on the machine has the propensity to be different. Stamping a round semi firm hose does not allow for the utmost in repeatability. That is why you see the MANY variations that exist with the originals. I can assure you that the artwork I created is an exact match to the original KV sample I chose to format my reproductions from. These new stampings are FAR superior to anything that has been offered to the Mopar enthusiast to date. With your ability to see such minute variations Scott, how were you able to get past “those” inferior hose samples that look nothing like the originals but have been on the market for years?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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#77330
07/20/08 10:25 AM
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Dave concerning the KV lines, I wasn't attempting to be overly criticle of your work, my comments were in regards to your question (requesting opinions) and I was refering to the picture you posted only, not to anything else (prior NOS or used original examples I've seen, etc.) I understand there are variables with nearly everything produced by Chrysler and judge cars (with some leniency) accordingly. As far as reproducing ink fade, etc. no, I would not suggest that either, but in some cases I've seen people refer to older parts as "old and faded" when in fact they were that way when brand new in some cases, a point that is difficult to prove ultimately unless one of us comes up with a time machine  Keep up the good work! 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/20/08 10:39 AM
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Did NOS front signal light housings come in grey as well? I bought a set for the 71 Challenger I'm working on and they were a gold colour. 
Is the a difference between assembly line parts and off the shelf parts? 
P.S. The VIN tag Chrysler Label looks to be "reproduction" as well making the total "3" now 
Alan,I wonder about the fluids and lubricants also.I hear they are going to be analyzed.Could raise the number above 3. 
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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07/20/08 12:39 PM
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Did NOS front signal light housings come in grey as well? I bought a set for the 71 Challenger I'm working on and they were a gold colour.
Is the a difference between assembly line parts and off the shelf parts?
P.S. The VIN tag Chrysler Label looks to be "reproduction" as well making the total "3" now
Alan,I wonder about the fluids and lubricants also.I hear they are going to be analyzed.Could raise the number above 3.
Be careful on that logo. In person it looks about as original as the originals do. Of course when something looks "new" it is rather easy to assume non originality. No one has come out to question the NOS paints that were used on the body of the car or many of the components that had to be refinished. What does everyone else use for "NOS" paint? (Or are some factors overlooked and never considered in the scheme of things?) What am I going to do for air in the tires? Certainly those who are calling out these blatant blunders in NOS unobtainable replacement miniscule items, would not be hypocritical with THEIR particular restoration efforts. By all means, please follow up your observations with the places you found those unobtainable NOS items. 
Alan...what original assembly plant do you take your VIN plates to and have them re stamped? 
A common sense moment my be appropriate right about now. This might help clarify things:
For all the things that were humanly attainable we believe we came up with all but two (possibly two and three quarters) of the components needed to keep this project as factory original as possible.
Did I really need to make that point about the original air and paint (to be technically correct) or was someone really naïve enough to think we might have access to those items?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: anlauto]
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07/20/08 02:13 PM
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A common sense moment my be appropriate right about now.
A sense of humor might come in handy as well 
Oh...I'm sorry! I forgot to mask my comment with a funny face in case someone called me out on it. Here ya go!
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
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07/20/08 02:59 PM
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Dave did you blackout your cowl? If so, could you provide a pic or two? Sorry if you have already and I missed it.
What was your rational for not putting the Shrader caps on the tires and instead leaving them in the trunk? Was it because they were delivered that way from Chrysler. Thanks.
The ones on the stems are the ones that would have been switched at the dealership when it was prepped.
Switched to the Schrader extension caps?
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Re: Taking it to the next level? Wow!
[Re: 70challrtse]
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07/20/08 03:04 PM
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Dave did you blackout your cowl? If so, could you provide a pic or two? Sorry if you have already and I missed it.
What was your rational for not putting the Shrader caps on the tires and instead leaving them in the trunk? Was it because they were delivered that way from Chrysler. Thanks.
The ones on the stems are the ones that would have been switched at the dealership when it was prepped.
Switched to the Schrader extension caps?
Yes!
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