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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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my 1970 challenger 340 LA built and sold new in San Fran had tips....... at least I had an original tip valance ( tips were gone) it was an N95 car
Did your Challenger have complete black "primer" dip versus the grey used at the other plants.
I've been looking at Troy's 68 Dart that was built in L.A. and it is very black underneath. Non undercoating option car. And the black seems tougher than primer.
Anyone have pictures like this of a LA built E or B body?
Before glass bead blasting
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My '70 Cuda has the grey primer..........
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My '70 Cuda has the grey primer..........
Where was your 'Cuda built?
L.A. or Hamtramck?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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I'm not real familiar with the LA built cars but I believe they did not come with the exhaust tips out the valance?
What other things are unique about the LA cars?
Thanks.
Remember, just because it was built in L.A. doesn't mean it was to be sold in CA. If it was destined for other states, the exhaust and emissions issues didn't apply.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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They la built 70 challenger rt I built has body color painted floors inside and it had the dark gray primer on the underside. Had a good bit of color on the underside also however was a factory undercoated car.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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so all la built cars had black primer on the bottom?? was that the norm for this plant??
ALL is TOO inclusive, data from similar SPD vehicles would be beneficial.
define "black" vs. "dark gray" ??
I think you would need to get responses from similar YEAR &
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MID (December-March) or
LATE (April-July) production
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Very good information.
Were there a lot of 1970 'Cuda's built in the LA plant?
How rare would an original J6 Sassy Grass green 70 'Cuda be?
The didn't built as many cars at that plant.
The plant at which a car was built has never been a factor on "rarity".
I believe there is a list that covers the percentages of 'Cuda Hardtops and Conv's per given color.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Very good information.
Were there a lot of 1970 'Cuda's built in the LA plant?
How rare would an original J6 Sassy Grass green 70 'Cuda be?
Does it have V4J stripes?? 
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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There are an endless amount of variables that could affect the dip color. How new was the product? How many cars had been through it before yours? What were the humidity & temperature that day? How low did the tank get before more fluid was added? How often was the tank cleaned? Different suppliers? Etc., etc....... The only thing I have noticed from checking the back sides of fender tags I have here is that LA tags have very little if any dip on them, most show no sign of it. Hamtramck cars have the whole tag covered in most cases. This tells me that for whatever reason, the Hamtramck tank may have been a little deeper.  So, if you are restoring your car, use it as a reference & put it back as close as you can.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My '70 Cuda has the grey primer..........
Where was your 'Cuda built?
L.A. or Hamtramck?
LA plant/April Build..............
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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so all la built cars had black primer on the bottom?? was that the norm for this plant??
ALL is TOO inclusive, data from similar SPD vehicles would be beneficial.
define "black" vs. "dark gray" ??
I think you would need to get responses from similar YEAR &
EARLY (August-November) or
MID (December-March) or
LATE (April-July) production
ahhh, very interesting info. my cuda was an earlier production model (10/69). it seemed to have a dark gray primer not black. however it probably has aged over time. Barry brings up some excellent variables with this process. mine was dealer undercoated.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My '70 Cuda has the grey primer..........
Where was your 'Cuda built?
L.A. or Hamtramck?
LA plant/April Build..............
Was it a non undercoating car or an optional undercoating car?
Do you have some pictures of the underside you could share?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My Car: LA plant, 70 Cuda SPD March 70 Dip- Black, on floorpans only, not on upper part of framerails Primer- very dark grey under body color, on upper part of framerails I guess my car wasn't dipped very deep in the dipping tub. 
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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My Car:
LA plant, 70 Cuda
SPD March 70
Dip- Black, on floorpans only, not on upper part of framerails
Primer- very dark grey under body color, on upper part of framerails
I guess my car wasn't dipped very deep in the dipping tub.
Undercoating car or non-undercoating ??
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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BS23H0E, SPD 226 Black dip primer, only under coating is in the rear wheel wells and the driver wheel well around the emergency brake cable and pedal mounting bolts.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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BS23H0E, SPD 226 Black dip primer, only under coating is in the rear wheel wells and the driver wheel well around the emergency brake cable and pedal mounting bolts.
IIRC, you car is a pretty rust free 100% california car with mint body. Never been restored.
How high does the black dip go on in the rear and front wheel wells?
So that is a non optional undercoating car I assume?
Seems like Hamtramck non undercoating cars got a fan of underoating behind the front wheels to to black out behind the tires. I wonder if the LA cars didn't get the behind the front tire undercoating because it was allready black.
That LA 68 Dart I pictured had no undercoat on the front innder panal area either. Don't know about the pedal bolts or E-brake cable hole.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Floor
That's clean 
So thats the dark black dip showing through the flaked of pink. Does it seem pretty heavy and tough? More than the grey primer at Hamtramack? Like it's not just primer?
Surprized to see the shifter mechanism and shift linkage boot painted over. Was that factory?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Yes, Its an unrestored car. 88k miles. The black out in the front wheel wells is just the black dip. This car would be an excellent example of a LA car to OE restore.
Very true. Perfect car to try to OE Gold with.
Are the underside inspection marks real prevelant and mostly still there?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Floor
That's clean
So thats the dark black dip showing through the flaked of pink. Does it seem pretty heavy and tough? More than the grey primer at Hamtramack? Like it's not just primer?
Surprized to see the shifter mechanism and shift linkage boot painted over. Was that factory?
Thats black body seam sealer!
As for the over spray... I cannot figure it out. It looks as though part of the car was repainted after it had partially assembeled. Some of the body plugs are painted... not over spray but painted pink. The car had peices of its original carpet in it when I got it.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Dash and grey? under dash
On the Hamtramck cars I've seen the auto shifter boot/cover and shift mechansism natural color. And those Hamtramck car have spray black out around the corners of the carpet and console opening so as not to show body color thru the carpet edges.
Did the LA cars paint over all that stuff?
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Floor
That's clean
So thats the dark black dip showing through the flaked of pink. Does it seem pretty heavy and tough? More than the grey primer at Hamtramack? Like it's not just primer?
Surprized to see the shifter mechanism and shift linkage boot painted over. Was that factory?
Thats black body seam sealer!
I was looking at the black area on the passenger tunnel. But they would have put seam sealer around the seat belt hole. It's just slopped over a large area around the hole.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Exterior, the paint had worn through on the hood and so they sprayed gray primer on it to make it worse.
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Someone must have had it apart for some reason after it was built.
Is that duct tape on the console light wire? For the cars I have had apart (so far) that had it the tape was black.
Yes thats duct tape... I didn't do it!
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Barry, its a V6X car that some time in its life they put the moulding on.... its the rivet on type.... there are about 20 1/8 inch holes down each side of the car. The exterior of the car has been repainted once from what I car tell but the tail panel, door jambs and engine compartment have not. Another interesting quirk is that the hood pin brackets are black(old thin paint) not body color and are held down with pink bolts....it almost looks as though they were not on the car when it was painted originally.
The car had been sitting since around 1988 and was in the hands of the original owner until about three years ago. Another collector bought the car and planned on restoring it but decided to let it go.... I'm not a big fan of FM3 but bought it because of its condition and I could always change the color!. There is an oil change sticker in the drivers door jamb from 1988 and the car had 88,2XX miles on it then and has 88,674 on it now.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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As for the over spray... I cannot figure it out. It looks as though part of the car was repainted after it had partially assembeled. Some of the body plugs are painted... not over spray but painted pink. The car had peices of its original carpet in it when I got it.
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Barry, No body damage.... there is paint on the body plugs on both sides...but not on all of them? The paint in the door jambs has small chips that go down to the metal and there is no sign of a repaint in the jambs.
Was most of the original carpet gone/worn thru and just side pieces left showing the exposed pink floor boards?
If the body plugs were painted on both sides was the pink paint under the floor boards around the those particular drain holes.
Nonetheless, it's a great original car. A great reference for other LA built cars. But I would not use the interior floorboard themselves as a reference for another car at this point in time until a lot more investigation. It's just the floorboards anyway, not a super critical area.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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It would be a very cool car to check out in person.
Its a really cool car and by no means do I consider it a survivor. When I first saw it it reminded me of the kind of car that we bought back in the 80's... really not messed with other than maintenance and a AM/FM radio and 6x9 speakers. I'd like to repaint the hood but have been toying with the idea of adding a shaker hood since I have all the parts.
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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As for the over spray... I cannot figure it out. It looks as though part of the car was repainted after it had partially assembeled. Some of the body plugs are painted... not over spray but painted pink. The car had peices of its original carpet in it when I got it.
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Barry, No body damage.... there is paint on the body plugs on both sides...but not on all of them? The paint in the door jambs has small chips that go down to the metal and there is no sign of a repaint in the jambs.
Was most of the original carpet gone/worn thru and just side pieces left showing the exposed pink floor boards?
If the body plugs were painted on both sides was the pink paint under the floor boards around the those particular drain holes.
Nonetheless, it's a great original car. A great reference for other LA built cars. But I would not use the interior floorboard themselves as a reference for another car at this point in time until a lot more investigation. It's just the floorboards anyway, not a super critical area.
There is paint under the body plugs(you can see there is one removed) There is no signs of dirt in the paint on the top coat of paint that is on the plugs and shifter mech. I have been looking closely at this thinking maybe the car was painted and then the assembly line didn't like the paint hue? The car has a SPD of 226, this is the earliest LA cuda' that the Pink car registry has in its database... he has a RM23N with the same SPD... maybe they were trying to get the color right?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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I have heard of one with a 214 SPD, but of course that does not mean much about when it was actually built.
Barry, That was out of the LA plant?
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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Here is my 2/12/70 LA built 6 bb 'Cuda. You can clearly see the black/dark gray finish on the bottom. It also had no tips in the rear, they are turn down (it was also sold in California). The bottom part was power washed and the top part is untouched and awaiting its turn. Rob
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Re: 1970 'Cuda Los Angeles built questions.
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now, here is the odd part. i am not sure how the factory dipped the car or how deep it was immersed in the primer, but my door panels have more of a lighter gray primer on them as well as the floor pans. the exterior of the car was repainted once. the engine comp, interior, trunk and door jambs were spared and retained the original B7 color.
Guys, another important detail is that factory still was using that yellowish adhesive in late 69 to adhere the moisture barrier to the door before they went to the whitish strips. Or, was the white caulk before the yellowish adhesive?
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