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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
[Re: DoctorDiff]
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Nope. - why'68...? you can have a numbers matching 1968 car, right...?
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
[Re: '84 D150 Shorty]
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Wrong again... and I do not think GM ever used New Process trannys, did they...? I should state that this is just your typical, production Hemi 4-speed - nothing otherwise unusual about it - and the situation could just as likely involve a 23-spline, automatic 727 or 904, etc. The reason for it being a blank drive train piece is not specific that this one happens to be an 18-spline (obviously, it's from somewhere between 1968 and,mmmmmmm, 1974(?) - I'm not sure when Chrysler bailed on New Process - anybody know when they did  ...?
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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05/01/10 07:50 AM
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GM light duty pickups used the 833OD in the eighties. The trans was modified to bolt directly into truck with GM bolt pattern, spline count, tailshaft length, etc.
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
[Re: Alan]
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It was an over the counter transmission. Probably warrantee replacement.
And we have a winner...! That's correct, warranty replacement from the factory -let's say you blew the snot out of your trans somehow & the dealer conceeded you a new transmission - this is how it would have come from the assembly plant, no machining, no smooth boss, and certainly no serial number - I wonder if you would have been able to get them to knock the new unit apart so the original main case could be used - oh wait -that's right... nobody gave two hoots about "numbers matching" back then, until the Corvette types applied it to our hobby. Thanks again for doing that, Galen... 
Mine has no partial VIN but still has the date code and plant numbers. So are you saying that an over the counter trans had no numbers at all in that spot???
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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Mine has no partial VIN but still has the date code and plant numbers. So are you saying that an over the counter trans had no numbers at all in that spot???
It sounds more likely that someone replaced the case with an over the counter case. A complete over the counter transmission would have PP883 the assembly date and the sequence number stamped on the pad.
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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67 trans
 '67 trans or any "trans assy" should still have the stamped assembly info & NO VIN# - "PP833 XXXX XXXX"
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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A '67 wouldn't have the raised boss, machined or not, and I agree that a replacement trans would have the PP833 stamping.
Gotta be a parts room replacement case.
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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Buick used Ford 3 speeds in GS's until 1970 I think. My '68 had one. 
No that is not true.Yours must have been changed.
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Re: An interesting Mopar trivia question - can YOU answer?
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Wrong again... and I do not think GM ever used New Process trannys, did they...?
I should state that this is just your typical, production Hemi 4-speed - nothing otherwise unusual about it - and the situation could just as likely involve a 23-spline, automatic 727 or 904, etc. The reason for it being a blank drive train piece is not specific that this one happens to be an 18-spline (obviously, it's from somewhere between 1968 and,mmmmmmm, 1974(?) - I'm not sure when Chrysler bailed on New Process - anybody know when they did ...?
Here's your answer......
New Process Gear, a division of Magna Powertrain, was a joint-venture automobile transmission company set up by General Motors and the Chrysler Corporation in February 1990. It was 64% owned by DaimlerChrysler and 36% owned by GM until February 2002, when General Motors sold its stake in the company to DaimlerChrysler. Magna International purchased 80% of the company, under the holding name "New Process Gear", from DaimlerChrysler on September 29, 2004 and continues to operate it. As of 2007, Magna owns 80% of the plant.
New Venture Gear inherited Chrysler's New Process Gear Syracuse, New York plant and GM's Muncie, Indiana transmission plant. The New Process plant was renamed to the "New Process Gear Division" of New Venture Gear. New Venture operates a similar operation in Roitzsch, Germany. The Muncie plant was reverted to GM control. The name of this GM Plant was changed to "Manual Transmissions Of Muncie". It closed its doors in mid 2006, and was turned over to Delaware County, IN. The plant was soon demolished after the turnover to Delaware County, IN. Magna, after two rejections of concessions by the union, has also announced its intent to close the Syracuse plant.
New Process Gear itself has been in business since 1888.
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