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The N94 hood would have been available on the 1970 cars after the hood was introduced. I do not know if the FAST guys check date codes?

(They must not check thing's too close since Tom has wheel lip moldings on his T/A. )

The N94 hood would have been available for 1971 also.

I am not aware of any that came factory on any 440-6 cars yet, but 340, 383 & Hemi cars are known.

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If it could have been ordered, then it's all good. There doesn't really even have to have been one made, just needs to be known that it was an available option.

Frankly, I was just really thinking about the air cleaner situation. Because it would be important that the hood be sealed to the air cleaner, I am concerned about the height and how much fabrication I would have to do to make it work.

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I believe the B5 Blue Six Pack Challenger was run in Pure Stock Drags with a T/A hood & air cleaner.

Years ago I ran a 440 Six Pack in my 1969 Hemi RR... air cleaner matched the Air Grabber hood fine. I believe the basic interfaces were always maintained if possible...

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Didn't they install T/A hoods when they didn't have any shakers in stock?

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Thanks Joe, I hadn't heard that. Tim

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Shaker hoods weren't replaced with T/A hoods in 1970. But...

If I recall correctly, someone had said they ordered a 71 car with the N94 T/A hood & received it with an N96 Shaker hood along with a letter of apology indicating a temporary lack of T/A hoods in 71.

I suspect that is where the shaker vs. T/A hood myth started.

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Shaker hoods weren't replaced with T/A hoods in 1970. But...

If I recall correctly, someone had said they ordered a 71 car with the N94 T/A hood & received it with an N96 Shaker hood along with a letter of apology indicating a temporary lack of T/A hoods in 71.

I suspect that is where the shaker vs. T/A hood myth started.

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If I recall correctly, someone had said they ordered a 71 car with the N94 T/A hood & received it with an N96 Shaker hood along with a letter of apology indicating a temporary lack of T/A hoods in 71.

I suspect that is where the shaker vs. T/A hood myth started.

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"El Hemi" was restored by Resto Rick a member here. It was believed to also be the first N94 prototype hood made if my recolections are correct................

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Whether there were actually any 440-6 Challengers ordered with a TA hood may never proven, Chrysler
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This Fram scale size print of the TA aircleaner has in the bottom corner...

Vehicle Description E-body
340 6 440 CID
1970 1/2 & 1971 3 2 V

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The N94 Hemi challenger was owned by my father back in the 80's. The old picture is of the car I believe parked at Rio Dodge in Austin. Since youre on the topic of air cleaners...... Here is a story that I constantly blackmail my father with. Back after my father bought the car, he was in the process of restoring it back to its original condition. It had been a drag car out in west texas and had been repainted red with blue and white fishscales and ribbons with lots of metalflake and cracked clear coat on top (typical 70's paint job). The cars original engine had been sold only months after the car was new and replaced with a hotter race motor. By the time my father got the car it had no engine, the transmission was in the trunk, and it came with a ralleye hood and a T/A hood. After my father had the car repainted and began assembling it he had trouble finding the correct air cleaner to fit both the 426 Hemi and the T/A hood. He found a car magazine (purely out of luck) that had all the part numbers for the air cleaner assemblies that went on cars with the N94 hood option. He still had trouble finding the piece he needed, but he eventualy found an ad in Hemmings motor news. My father calls it "the most expensive air cleaner assembly ever". This is becuase he traded a lime green 1970 Shaker hood 4 spd Hemi 'Cuda (rolling body) for it. Yes, a 'Hemi Cuda for an air cleaner............

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Hi Lee... Welcome to Moparts!

What you say is true... here is the rest of the story:

I found the Hemi `Cuda in the Houston area, but passed on it because I wanted a more complete car. I passed the info on to James J., who then bought it. Mark knew I regreted not getting the `Cuda, and called me a few years later to say he could trade James out of it if I still wanted the car... I DID!

The deal was set that I sent payment of $500 to Terry M. for the NOS aircleaner and lid which he shipped to your dad, who traded James out of the `Cuda and sent me the title paperwork... I picked the `Cuda up from James' dad's dealership on my next trip down to Texas.

The `Cuda was a rolling body, minus the Shaker hood... here are some pictures...

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** COVER PLATE w/fresh air - #3577 459
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there was a guy named Anatol out of Vineland, NJ who was selling a B5 blue 71 hemi Challenger with a TA Hood,years ago . i'm sure it was coded for N96

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Anatols' B5 hemi Challenger was originally from Buffalo, NY where Walt D. bought it. It had a damaged door which Walt replaced and proceeded to add an NOS shaker hood, wide hood mldg pkge and an NOS Hemi shaker assembly he got from me. Walt also added louvers, spoilers.
He sold the car to Anatol this way. Anatol bought another NOS TA Hemi aircleaner that I had, and bought a TA hood and equipped it this way.
I almost traded for the car in the early 90's when Walt owned it and had added the goodies.
When Anatol had the car for sale at Chryslers @ Carlilse in the 90's, in a weak moment he sold me the complete shaker assembly incuding NOS hood/trim ring right off the car for $1800.00.
A board member here was with me when this went down. Anatol put a bulge hood back on it and sold the car after the show but did not let the HemiTA air cleaner go with it, selling it later. The current owner of ther air cleaner wishes to keep it.

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Here is the information off the Build Sheet of the GB5 1971 Hemi Challenger owned by Walt Downer that added to the car that sold it the Anatol Vasilieu that took off the Shaker Hood and put on the T/A Hood.

E74----HEMI
D21----4 SPEED
GB5----BRIGHT BLUE METALLIC
H6X9---FRONT VINYL BUCKETS BLACK INTERIOR
430----BUILD DATE APRIL 30 1971, FRIDAY
GB5----ROOF PAINT BRIGHT BLUE METALLIC
U------BUILT TO USA SPECIFICATIONS
A33----TRACK PACK 354
C55----FRONT BUCKET SEATS
J25----VARIABLE SPEED WIPERS
J54----SPORT HOOD
M21----DRIP RAIL MOULDINGS
N41----DUAL EXHAUST
N42----CHROME EXHAUST TIPS
N85----TACHOMETER
R11----RADIO AM MUSIC MASTER
V6X----STRIPS BLACK LONGITUDINAL R/T SPORT TAPE
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i would have passed on the car otherwise and not made him an offer.
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The car did have the N94 air cleaner on it in 1983 or 84 when I traded the second owner of that car an NOS stock air cleaner for his N94 Hemi air cleaner. I needed it to put on top of the 65 race Hemi that I was running in my black A12 Runner. I found the air cleaner completely by coincidence at an NHOA meet in York, PA within one month after getting the Hemi running in my A12. The A12 hood opening let you see the whole top of the motor and it was fate that I found that air cleaner for my car. I showed it with the Hemi in it for about 6 years from The Nats to Englishtown, year in year out. The air cleaner made the Hemi look like right at home in the Road Runner with that A12 hood! When I found the air cleaner, Walt Downer showed up just as we were sealing the deal and tried to talk the guy out of going thru with it. The guy (from the Upstate NY area)was very straight and said a deal was a deal. He would not have traded me unless I could get an expert to interpret his fender tag to prove it was not an N94 cold air hood car. He was very happy to get the correct air cleaner for his car. Walt Downer ended up with the car before Anatole got it. Walt Downer had added a few non original things on the car including the wheel lip moldings. At one point, Downer tried to get the air cleaner back from me after I got the 440-6 back in my car. I was willing to trade him for a pair of Hemi exhaust manifolds. We made a deal over the phone. He showed up with the manifolds but he backed out because a friend of his convinced him the manifolds were worth more than the N94 air cleaner. Needless to say, I did not have any good experiences in trying to deal with Downer...I ended up selling it to a friend of Bill Drake's for $750 in the early 90's. It went on a pink E-body racing in upstate NY. Here's what it looked like in my black A12. You can see the depression in the back of the seal where the steel hood from the blue Challenger was biting into it. It might have been put on it at the factory by accident? No one knows for sure why it was on that Challenger?

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I cant say for sure if this ever made it into production which I doubt, but I believe initially this was the intended design for the 4bbl N94.
There was one of these, and only one, in the 'hobby shop' at Fram where they did testing.
Basically a 4 bbl shaker base with the TA outer ring, same way they built a 6pak and Hemi TA base.
Since so few of these 4bbl cars were built, Hamtramk likely never got their hands on it to try it on a 4bbl TA hood equipped Challenger to see if the alignment with hood closure would seal and work. The two 4bbl numbers 3577457, 3577458 fall in line with the 6 pak and Hemi numbered TA bases but we all know how part numbers in the books can be misleading.
In all probability the aircleaner Dan has is likely what Chrysler decided to go with.
I recall Ken Papa had one like Dan years ago at his dealership also unless it is the same one.

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I cant say for sure if this ever made it into production which I doubt, but I believe initially this was the intended design for the 4bbl N94.
There was one of these, and only one, in the 'hobby shop' at Fram where they did testing.
Basically a 4 bbl shaker base with the TA outer ring, same way they built a 6pak and Hemi TA base.
Since so few of these 4bbl cars were built, Hamtramk likely never got their hands on it to try it on a 4bbl TA hood equipped Challenger to see if the alignment with hood closure would seal and work. The two 4bbl numbers 3577457, 3577458 fall in line with the 6 pak and Hemi numbered TA bases but we all know how part numbers in the books can be misleading.
In all probability the aircleaner Dan has is likely what Chrysler decided to go with.
I recall Ken Papa had one like Dan years ago at his dealership also unless it is the same one.

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Ben Snobar had a 4bbl T/A air cleaner like the one pictured above at Carlisle ~5years ago.
Same one? Reproduction?

The oval air cleaner will not clear the A/C compressor, so maybe the one I have is as correct as I'll get?
Galen said the only other one he's seen was at Papa Dodge.

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I only ever owned one original wide lipped oval Hemi TA lid. It was NOS painted black, stamped "Made in Canada".
It came from Fram with the first Hemi TA base I got. It went as a unit with one of the bases I sold in the mid 80's.
I saw one other the very same at the Mopar Nats about 20 years ago. The guy was carrying it with a real Hemi TA base. A bunch of guys, myself included tried buying both but he was more less showing the assembly off to some of the vendors.

On a side note since you couldn't get AC with a Hemi car or 6 pak E-body fresh-air, but AC was an option with a 340/383 Challenger.... it would make sense that the air cleaner that made it to Hamtramk for such a car built would be the type Dan has and not a 4bbl shaker with the TA ring spotwelded.... and likely hand built in the Fram "hobby shop".
Dan's car is after all coded for both AC and N94 and as he says the TA front lip would interfere with the compressor.

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I was running this in my mind that if his car came with that lid on a N96 car from the factory,then there might of been a Hemi T/A breather sitting at the factory ready to be installed on a 1971 Hemi Challengers. Then again I think Fram shipped the units complete from Fram to the Plant and maybe someone at Fram just sent it on it way with the wrong lid on a Shaker set up. I will have to look up the Build date on Bobs Hemi Challenger. Always like that Challenger.

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I was running this in my mind that if his car came with that lid on a N96 car from the factory,then there might of been a Hemi T/A breather sitting at the factory ready to be installed on a 1971 Hemi Challengers. Then again I think Fram shipped the units complete from Fram to the Plant and maybe someone at Fram just sent it on it way with the wrong lid on a Shaker set up. I will have to look up the Build date on Bobs Hemi Challenger. Always like that Challenger.

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So Mike,

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Someone dragged up this thread from the past, when JP and I were kicking around ideas on what to do with the V code orange Challenger. There is that other FAST motor I was gathering parts for, but that looks like I am going to tame it down and put into the black V code 70 R/T.

MB