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Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: meepmeep70] #608608
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by the time the wife got home i was test driving(2hrs later,i got back )


You wanted to make sure they were perfect right (for her safety)


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Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608609
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So what's the consensus on pumping multiple times in between cracking the bleeder? Is it more, less, or no more effective than just pumping it once and holding to the floor?




FWIW...I've always pumped it a few times when doing it that way...

(or pressure bleed it, I made up a plate ages ago to fit the Aussie PBR master cylinders, worked great)

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: OzHemi] #608610
02/10/10 05:35 PM
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How'd you make the plates, Jeff? I am having a hard time understanding how to seal enough air.

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608611
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I was heading out to the garage soon to work on the car and could snap a pic with my phone, but basically I just took a piece of steel plate, drilled a hole in it, and welded in a quick connect fitting for my compressor air line, then just glued a piece of rubber onto the bottom of the plate. Then just put the plate over top of the master cylinder and clamp it down (just used a big clamp over the top of it and under the master cylinder)

I also use a air regulator before the plate, since you don't want full pressure for it...

Then just hook it all up, hook the air up too it, make sure the master cylinder is full, and start cracking bleed screws.

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: OzHemi] #608612
02/10/10 05:49 PM
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I can think of a way I can do this. The problem for me is the welding part. But if I just tapped the plate it might work....

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: OzHemi] #608613
02/10/10 05:51 PM
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I was heading out to the garage soon to work on the car and could snap a pic with my phone, but basically I just took a piece of steel plate, drilled a hole in it, and welded in a quick connect fitting for my compressor air line, then just glued a piece of rubber onto the bottom of the plate. Then just put the plate over top of the master cylinder and clamp it down (just used a big clamp over the top of it and under the master cylinder)

I also use a air regulator before the plate, since you don't want full pressure for it...

Then just hook it all up, hook the air up too it, make sure the master cylinder is full, and start cracking bleed screws.




Sounds like a great idea, but without a really efficient drier, couldn't this potentially introduce moisture into the system?

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608614
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I can think of a way I can do this. The problem for me is the welding part. But if I just tapped the plate it might work....




Either tap the plate or drill the hole large enough to use a couple rubber/plastic washers and a nut on the backside.

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608615
02/10/10 05:57 PM
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You only need 10-15 psi

If it will be used only once in a while you can use a small garden sprayer to make one. The plate for the master is easy to make too. Just get yourself a piece of metal just larger than the top of the master, tap the top for air fitting, get a piece of rubber from the hardware store and cut to be used as a gasket. If you have an extra master cylinder cap you can modify that to be used. Put a quick disconnect on your pressure bleeder and fill. As for attaching the plate to the top of the master there are several ways to do that too.

http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm

I have several of these lying around from when I used to work at a dealer.

5795712-adaptor.jpg (33 downloads)

Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: HealthServices] #608616
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the back side.

Remember you do not need a lot of pressure! Last thing you want is brake fluid sprayed all over you newly painted engine compartment.

5795717-adaptorback.jpg (62 downloads)

Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: HealthServices] #608617
02/10/10 06:22 PM
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So what I was thinking is something like this:


Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608618
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Were you thinking of using air pressure from the tire inflator? Or brake fluid under pressure? Who will hold it there while you bleed the brakes?

I would use a quick release air chuck and not use air presure.

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: HealthServices] #608619
02/10/10 06:33 PM
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I really admire the effort here but is it really necessary?

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: GTXKen] #608620
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no


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608621
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I have the correct adaptor for the plastic resouvor MC. Let me see if I can find a picture. A tool guy can get you one. Snap on Mac Matco, etc...

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: GTXKen] #608622
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Even at the dealer I am used to working alone. So I have a lot of this stuff at my disposal. Having it at home now, just makes things easier.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: HealthServices] #608623
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I have found one on Speedway, but it's 44.99 with the bleeder itself. I just need the adapter - I have a pressure bleeder. I called Wilwood today and the idiot tech had no idea what diameter the resevoir cap was.... this is my M/C (on the left):


Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608624
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go to the help section of the auto parts store for a replacement cap.



Put fitting on it and...






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I saw that thread. The issue is, I don't think this is a standard GM-size cap.

Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: sharpie] #608626
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I think it is a standard mopar cap. If you cannot find one there go by a junkyard and get one off a junk 70-80s mopar


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Re: Bled brakes today - still outta whack? [Re: HealthServices] #608627
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The proper pressure bleeder adaptor doesn't pressurize the plastic resovour. I'll post a picture of it when I get to work in a little while.

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