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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601343
02/27/10 05:49 PM 02/27/10 05:49 PM
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I used two items of the month (once again) to touch on the actual build sequence vs. the SPD & VIN;

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601344
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Barry, This is very interesting. I had a similar finding in a 70 Charger I once owned. I found a broadcast sheet for my car + another that was +2000 on the VIN#. I could not understand how the other sheet could have ended up in my car. I looked at the sheet info today after reading your post. The SPD's of these 2 cars were 4 days apart, the VIN #'s approximately 2000 apart but the sequence numbers are only 36 apart. This may mean that these two cars were built much closer together than the SPD date would indicate. Possibly explaining why the sheet ended up in the car.

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: 70gtx440dana] #601345
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Very possible.

I have mostly been looking at 1970 Hamtramck cars, but I would like to see scans of the sheets you found if possible?

If you have not contacted him yet, I am sure that Chris at the 1970 Charger Registry would like to see them too.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601346
03/19/10 11:42 PM 03/19/10 11:42 PM
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First time I have seen this scenario.

Same plant. Same model. Identical options except for the ones that affect color.

Sequential VINs.

Sequential VONs.

different scheduled production dates

I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.

Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601347
03/20/10 12:21 AM 03/20/10 12:21 AM
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Quote:

First time I have seen this scenario.

Same plant. Same model. Identical options except for the ones that affect color.

Sequential VINs.

Sequential VONs.

different scheduled production dates

I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.





You are quite welcome!

Could these be part of a "sales bank" or some other group of cars that were basically the same except for colors?

I think the "fleet/heavy duty" group of tags that Doug ended up with had approx eight 1970s cop cars that were in a sequential VIN row. Check the scans I sent to be sure.

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: hemibill] #601348
03/20/10 12:29 AM 03/20/10 12:29 AM
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The broadcast sheet for 985 was in with the stuff you sent also, it is not coded as a sales bank car or as an ordered car.

I see that a lot.

Just strange (and cool) that these two have different dates.

Yes, I do know I need to get out more.

Barry
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601349
03/20/10 12:49 AM 03/20/10 12:49 AM
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Quote:

different scheduled production dates

I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.



I agree that it is cool to see 35 years later, but I'd "assume" there will be a last car & first car scheduled every day and more often than not their VIN#s will be sequential.

Has anyone ever seen any numbers showing "sales bank" VS. "SOLD" car production numbers?
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: 6bblgt] #601350
03/28/10 12:53 AM 03/28/10 12:53 AM
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I just thought it was interesting that it caught my eye that on the second tag, the font was stamped much higher up than the first tag. was this a "tag placement in the machine" thing, or it was set each day and all tags from that day would be stamped in the same location?

Maybe this is a very common thing, but to have the two consecutive tags next to eachother, I noticed it quickly.

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Chargerfan68] #601351
03/28/10 03:09 AM 03/28/10 03:09 AM
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Y14 & Y16 cars are mixed on the same SPDs.

Tags were stamped by hand, one digit at a time. There were multiple machines per plant, & multiple people stamping them, so not all tags will have the same exact features.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601352
06/02/10 10:56 AM 06/02/10 10:56 AM
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Note the SPD on the fender tag in this auction, then compare it to the Month / Day / Hour date on the door mylar.

This car was made late;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...#ht_20925wt_958
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601353
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Possible for sure.

Tracking a cars dates codes can be educational too. My T/A has a SPD of 417. The original engine has a final assembly date five days later, so my car was likey made at least 6 days late.



My 69 Bee has an SPD of 2/10 , the original engine was assembled on 2/11
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: JohnRR] #601354
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my 69 M code has the exact same fender tag as another car 20 digits away except VIN and VON 920009 and 920029.. 236781 and 237801 dan
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Furyman] #601355
06/02/10 04:58 PM 06/02/10 04:58 PM
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True production dates are guesswork at best.I'd say for the majority of Mopars the true date is +/- 2 weeks of the date stamped on the fender tag; excluding package cars that use a common date ie A12's.This early 69 Fury is a good example.The SO # in the upper right corner is 803...this is the date stamped on the fender tag.The car was actually shipped to the dealer on 8-16.The scheduled date is 7-25.....I'm not positive but I think this is the date that the car was actually scheduled to have been shipped.??
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One thing for sure...for the most part VIN's and the date stamped on fender tags run hand in hand.Example: the above poster with the St Louis B Body with the B08 date...Vin # will be in the 9G162xxx to 9G163xxx range.Again excluding package cars...440 Darts,A12's etc this is nearly always true but every once in a while there is a wild car(d).



Not to hijack the subject but checkout the........

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: 474218] #601356
08/18/10 10:07 PM 08/18/10 10:07 PM
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I'm bringing this thread back to the top because I just found out some new info on my car that might be of interest. The following paragraph is what I wrote a few months ago.

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Here's a stupid question...I assume the SPD on the fender tag will match the VIN sticker date correct? I took a pic of my origonal VIN sticker before removing it but the pictures didn't turn out. The sticker was obviously destroyed upon removal.
They looked off of the same paperwork to stamp the fender tag and print the VIN decal right?



Here's the update...I knew I had taken a video of my car back in the late 90's before I took it apart. I've been looking for that tape for a long time. Well, I found it tonight and popped it in the VCR.(Yes, I still have a VCR)

Luckily, I recorded the VIN sticker on the door. The SPD on the fender tag is 927 but the sticker says 10/72. A few other components have date codes right around 927 so I kind of figured it was built late anyway. This just proves it.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: burdar] #601357
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The 927 and 10-72 would make it an early (er) car, as the model year starts in august.

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: a12superbee] #601358
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By "built late" I meant built after the SPD. Yes, the car is a fairly early 73.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: burdar] #601359
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That's your car in your signature pic right Burdar? It's looking really really good. Love the color.

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Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: cataclysm80] #601360
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I always wondered if there was some other common feature that signaled a 'family' of cars to be manufactured during the same time period, as opposed to the SBD. For example, were Hemi/6-Pack cars built during a specific period of time, or convertibles, or certain colors/interiors? It would make some sense from a manufacturing perspective to reduce complexity at the line.
Just a question.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: RP's R/T's] #601361
10/03/10 08:34 PM 10/03/10 08:34 PM
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They were mixed up at times for sure.

An AAR might be followed by a Duster which was followed by a Challenger, etc, etc.
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... [Re: Alaskan_TA] #601362
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FWIW, I was told by D.ick Maxwell that Production Planning and Fleet Engineering collaborated on a lot of production line issues. Their job was to “Keep the line moving” and if there were delays of components or unscheduled rush order (i.e. the seven police cars), order cancellation, late decision to introduce a new model or sales program (i.e. A12, A13, “Spring Special”, etc.) then that bumped or move a cars SPD forward or back. At the time of the order it is only a “Scheduled (planned) Production Date and lots can happen between those dates. The A12’s had issues with intake manifolds from Edelbrock and I’m sure that had some affect on the SPD and then I heard some A12’s were bunched up because of the lift-off-hood production, they were not shipped one hood at a time and needed “special handling”. I guess it should have been called PSPD for “Planned” Scheduled Production Date. On a related note I ordered two trucks from Ford a few years ago and was given a mid-January SPD and went ahead and scheduled High Tech Trailers to have them painted at the beginning of February and then scheduled the graphics company to do the graphics at the end of February when the paint had a little time to set up. Ford had delays with the new diesel and then more delays and we finally got the two trucks at the beginning of APRIL!!! They still had the mid-January SPD, so it still happens to this day, it’s only a planned date for production and when Chrysler started assembly of the chassis in Body-in-White the fender tag was made and at that point they had a “plan” to build and finish the car by or around the SPD but who knows what the date was when the tag was punched? What do you think Barry?


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