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More about scheduled / estimated production dates......
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/02/10 04:32 AM
This post is dedicated to everyone that thinks the date of their tag & or paperwork is the date the car was actually made.
Evidently, if a dealer did not pay for an ordered car on time, it could delay that cars production, no matter what the sheduled production date on the paperwork says.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/02/10 04:44 AM
I have a few pages of paper work for this car, it is a 1969 wagon, here are some dates from the different pages;
7-10-1968 - The order form was filled out by the dealership.
9-24-1968 - The Advance Dealer Shipping Notice was issued by Chrysler to the dealer. (image above)
A01 (10-1-1968) Scheduled Production date from the same page.
10-2-1968 - Dealer noted that check was sent.
10-8-1968 - Chrysler received check & sent receipt.
10-8-1968 - Chrysler issued the invoice to the dealership.
10-17-1968 - Client picks up car at dealership.
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 10:55 AM
How did you end up with all this for the same car?
Sure adds a few more flies to the ointment.
Posted By: ademon
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 03:38 PM
When was the fender tag made? before the car started to roll down the line, or after it was off the line and waiting delivery?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:06 PM
The paperwork came form a dealership in NY.
The fender tags were made at the body-in white phase.
The SPD was part of the vehicle order number, so if a car was late they would have to start changing records before they could alter the tag layout.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:22 PM
Here's a stupid question...I assume the SPD on the fender tag will match the VIN sticker date correct? I took a pic of my origonal VIN sticker before removing it but the pictures didn't turn out. The sticker was obviously destroyed upon removal.
They looked off of the same paperwork to stamp the fender tag and print the VIN decal right?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:35 PM
Well, it depends.
The Mylars were typed & applied near the end of the line. So, if the car was actually made late, it my have the next month on the Mylar.
If it was made early, it may have the previous month on the Mylar.
If there is a registry for your make & model, contact them to see if they have a clear photo of yours.
For folks with 1970 Hamtramck cars I can give you a rough idea of what cars were made closest to yours if you have a broadcast sheet for it.
There is no way to know the actual build date though.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:43 PM
Quote from my most recent post in the broadcast sheet section since it applies here also...
Broadcast sheet for 1970 440-6 Cuda with Shaker hood, the VIN is BS23V0B157390
It is free to the owner of the car with proof of ownership & proof the car still exists.
Thanks to Brian over in B.C. Canada for sending it in.
Barry
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" /> Claimed & mailed to the owner of the car yesterday. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/boogie.gif" alt="" />
Cecil sent in the two broadcast sheets he found in his bucket seats, they are for;
BS23V0B157442 & BH23G0B166082
Note the spread in VINs, the scheduled production dates are 11 days apart. The broadcast sheet print sequence numbers are only 4 apart, so we have yet another case where the cars were actually produced out of VIN sequence.
Both sheets are free to the owners of the cars with proof of legal ownership.
Posted By: pushbutton
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:48 PM
My 69 has a B08 fender tag,which was Friday Nov. 8 1968. It was a St Louis car. I took delivery Monday Nov.11. Is it possible the car was built before Nov 8? It would have been possible to get it to the dealership over the wk. end.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/03/10 05:53 PM
Possible for sure.
Tracking a cars dates codes can be educational too. My T/A has a SPD of 417. The original engine has a final assembly date five days later, so my car was likey made at least 6 days late.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/04/10 01:37 AM
True production dates are guesswork at best.I'd say for the majority of Mopars the true date is +/- 2 weeks of the date stamped on the fender tag; excluding package cars that use a common date ie A12's.This early 69 Fury is a good example.The SO # in the upper right corner is 803...this is the date stamped on the fender tag.The car was actually shipped to the dealer on 8-16.The scheduled date is 7-25.....I'm not positive but I think this is the date that the car was actually scheduled to have been shipped.??
Ideas?
One thing for sure...for the most part VIN's and the date stamped on fender tags run hand in hand.Example: the above poster with the St Louis B Body with the B08 date...Vin # will be in the 9G162xxx to 9G163xxx range.Again excluding package cars...440 Darts,A12's etc this is nearly always true but every once in a while there is a wild car(d).
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/04/10 01:09 PM
very interesting
Tav
Posted By: scatcity
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/04/10 01:54 PM
What is the TSM code 1E2 in the highlighted green bar ? Can you post a pic of the back of the invoice plz. Very cool paper..
Posted By: Chargerfan68
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/10 05:16 AM
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Possible for sure.
Tracking a cars dates codes can be educational too. My T/A has a SPD of 417. The original engine has a final assembly date five days later, so my car was likey made at least 6 days late.
Do you happen to know if the AA1 Buffed Silver would hold up the cars build date due to the buffing. My AA1 Charger '68 had a SPD of Dec. 8, '67 and engine and tranny are Dec 21st and 13th, respectively (numbers matching units). I am curious if the optional paint had anything to do with the delay of 2 weeks.
Thanks for any insight,
Greg.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/11/10 10:10 AM
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What is the TSM code 1E2 in the highlighted green bar ? Can you post a pic of the back of the invoice plz. Very cool paper..
E signifys the year 1969.I think the #'s have to do with the car line and model.I have a couple hundred of these invoices...I'll scan a couple when I get a minute.Back side is contract BS...I'll post if you want.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/11/10 10:29 AM
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Do you happen to know if the AA1 Buffed Silver would hold up the cars build date due to the buffing
Didn't appear to.I have a couple of Invoices for AA1 cars and they are in the same average time frames as other paint codes.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/11/10 04:28 PM
Parts shortages from vendors would be a much more likely cause than buffing paint.
Posted By: Chargerfan68
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/12/10 04:39 AM
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Parts shortages from vendors would be a much more likely cause than buffing paint.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification guys. 
Posted By: 70RT
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/12/10 06:54 PM
Hey Barry - my SBD was 10-13-69 for a dealer ordered Challenger R/T(Hamtramk). Based on front and rear seat tag codes and the date stamped on the "crush can" the car was built no earlier than 10-29-69. Parts shortage or labor issue? I'd love to know what y'all think
.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/27/10 06:00 PM
Without being there at the time, there is no way to know.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/27/10 10:49 PM
I used two items of the month (once again) to touch on the actual build sequence vs. the SPD & VIN;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/
Posted By: 70gtx440dana
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/03/10 05:30 AM
Barry, This is very interesting. I had a similar finding in a 70 Charger I once owned. I found a broadcast sheet for my car + another that was +2000 on the VIN#. I could not understand how the other sheet could have ended up in my car. I looked at the sheet info today after reading your post. The SPD's of these 2 cars were 4 days apart, the VIN #'s approximately 2000 apart but the sequence numbers are only 36 apart. This may mean that these two cars were built much closer together than the SPD date would indicate. Possibly explaining why the sheet ended up in the car.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/03/10 05:34 AM
Very possible.
I have mostly been looking at 1970 Hamtramck cars, but I would like to see scans of the sheets you found if possible?
If you have not contacted him yet, I am sure that Chris at the 1970 Charger Registry would like to see them too.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/20/10 04:42 AM
First time I have seen this scenario.
Same plant. Same model. Identical options except for the ones that affect color.
Sequential VINs.
Sequential VONs.
different scheduled production dates I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.
Posted By: hemibill
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/20/10 05:21 AM
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First time I have seen this scenario.
Same plant. Same model. Identical options except for the ones that affect color.
Sequential VINs.
Sequential VONs.
different scheduled production dates
I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.
You are quite welcome!
Could these be part of a "sales bank" or some other group of cars that were basically the same except for colors?
I think the "fleet/heavy duty" group of tags that Doug ended up with had approx eight 1970s cop cars that were in a sequential VIN row. Check the scans I sent to be sure.
BILL
:thumb
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/20/10 05:29 AM
The broadcast sheet for 985 was in with the stuff you sent also, it is not coded as a sales bank car or as an ordered car.
I see that a lot.
Just strange (and cool) that these two have different dates.
Yes, I do know I need to get out more.
Barry
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/20/10 05:49 AM
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different scheduled production dates
I have no clue what it means, but pretty dang cool to see. Thanks to Bill in CA for sending these to me.
I agree that it is cool to see 35 years later, but I'd "assume" there will be a last car & first car scheduled every day and more often than not their VIN#s will be sequential.
Has anyone ever seen any numbers showing "sales bank" VS. "SOLD" car production numbers?
Posted By: Chargerfan68
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/28/10 05:53 AM
I just thought it was interesting that it caught my eye that on the second tag, the font was stamped much higher up than the first tag. was this a "tag placement in the machine" thing, or it was set each day and all tags from that day would be stamped in the same location?
Maybe this is a very common thing, but to have the two consecutive tags next to eachother, I noticed it quickly.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/28/10 08:09 AM
Y14 & Y16 cars are mixed on the same SPDs.
Tags were stamped by hand, one digit at a time. There were multiple machines per plant, & multiple people stamping them, so not all tags will have the same exact features.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 06/02/10 03:56 PM
Note the SPD on the fender tag in this auction, then compare it to the Month / Day / Hour date on the door mylar.
This car was made late;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...#ht_20925wt_958
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 06/02/10 04:08 PM
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Possible for sure.
Tracking a cars dates codes can be educational too. My T/A has a SPD of 417. The original engine has a final assembly date five days later, so my car was likey made at least 6 days late.
My 69 Bee has an SPD of 2/10 , the original engine was assembled on 2/11
Posted By: ph23vo
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 06/02/10 07:47 PM
my 69 M code has the exact same fender tag as another car 20 digits away except VIN and VON 920009 and 920029.. 236781 and 237801 dan
Posted By: 474218
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 06/02/10 09:58 PM
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True production dates are guesswork at best.I'd say for the majority of Mopars the true date is +/- 2 weeks of the date stamped on the fender tag; excluding package cars that use a common date ie A12's.This early 69 Fury is a good example.The SO # in the upper right corner is 803...this is the date stamped on the fender tag.The car was actually shipped to the dealer on 8-16.The scheduled date is 7-25.....I'm not positive but I think this is the date that the car was actually scheduled to have been shipped.??
Ideas?
One thing for sure...for the most part VIN's and the date stamped on fender tags run hand in hand.Example: the above poster with the St Louis B Body with the B08 date...Vin # will be in the 9G162xxx to 9G163xxx range.Again excluding package cars...440 Darts,A12's etc this is nearly always true but every once in a while there is a wild car(d).
Not to hijack the subject but checkout the........
A01 LITHT PKG?
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 08/19/10 03:07 AM
I'm bringing this thread back to the top because I just found out some new info on my car that might be of interest. The following paragraph is what I wrote a few months ago.
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Here's a stupid question...I assume the SPD on the fender tag will match the VIN sticker date correct? I took a pic of my origonal VIN sticker before removing it but the pictures didn't turn out. The sticker was obviously destroyed upon removal.
They looked off of the same paperwork to stamp the fender tag and print the VIN decal right?
Here's the update...I knew I had taken a video of my car back in the late 90's before I took it apart. I've been looking for that tape for a long time. Well, I found it tonight and popped it in the VCR.(Yes, I still have a VCR)
Luckily, I recorded the VIN sticker on the door. The SPD on the fender tag is 927 but the sticker says 10/72. A few other components have date codes right around 927 so I kind of figured it was built late anyway. This just proves it.
Posted By: a12superbee
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 08/19/10 08:56 AM
The 927 and 10-72 would make it an early (er) car, as the model year starts in august.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 08/19/10 01:45 PM
By "built late" I meant built after the SPD. Yes, the car is a fairly early 73.
Posted By: cataclysm80
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 08/21/10 11:09 PM
That's your car in your signature pic right Burdar? It's looking really really good. Love the color.
Tav
Posted By: RP's R/T's
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 01:24 AM
I always wondered if there was some other common feature that signaled a 'family' of cars to be manufactured during the same time period, as opposed to the SBD. For example, were Hemi/6-Pack cars built during a specific period of time, or convertibles, or certain colors/interiors? It would make some sense from a manufacturing perspective to reduce complexity at the line.
Just a question.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 01:34 AM
They were mixed up at times for sure.
An AAR might be followed by a Duster which was followed by a Challenger, etc, etc.
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 02:49 AM
FWIW, I was told by D.ick Maxwell that Production Planning and Fleet Engineering collaborated on a lot of production line issues. Their job was to “Keep the line moving” and if there were delays of components or unscheduled rush order (i.e. the seven police cars), order cancellation, late decision to introduce a new model or sales program (i.e. A12, A13, “Spring Special”, etc.) then that bumped or move a cars SPD forward or back. At the time of the order it is only a “Scheduled (planned) Production Date and lots can happen between those dates. The A12’s had issues with intake manifolds from Edelbrock and I’m sure that had some affect on the SPD and then I heard some A12’s were bunched up because of the lift-off-hood production, they were not shipped one hood at a time and needed “special handling”. I guess it should have been called PSPD for “Planned” Scheduled Production Date. On a related note I ordered two trucks from Ford a few years ago and was given a mid-January SPD and went ahead and scheduled High Tech Trailers to have them painted at the beginning of February and then scheduled the graphics company to do the graphics at the end of February when the paint had a little time to set up. Ford had delays with the new diesel and then more delays and we finally got the two trucks at the beginning of APRIL!!! They still had the mid-January SPD, so it still happens to this day, it’s only a planned date for production and when Chrysler started assembly of the chassis in Body-in-White the fender tag was made and at that point they had a “plan” to build and finish the car by or around the SPD but who knows what the date was when the tag was punched? What do you think Barry?
MikeR
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 03:05 AM
The 1969 A12 cars have two SPDs for all of them, is that right?
Everyone knows not all of them were not all built on those two days, right?
All Superbirds have one SPD, right?
Everyone knows not all of them were not all built on the same day, right?
The SPD has nothing to do with the actual build day unless it just happened by accident.
Even then, there is no way to know the actual build day unless you have a newer model with the MDH Mylar door stickers or some other record that actually notes it (or alludes to it). The few I have been able to check so far have been off from the SPD.
As always, research continues.
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 03:13 AM
Barry do the Mylar door decals have the actual day or just the month and year?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 03:17 AM
It depends on the model year.
Let me dig up a link on the MDH / Month Day Hour stickers, it seems like they started in '73, back soon.........
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 03:27 AM
I was close, very late '72 & all '73 models;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_1.jpghttp://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_2.jpgFor those with these labels among us, can you post the SPD from your fender tag / broadcast sheet & the MDH on your door sticker please?
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 04:13 AM
Wow! That's amazing that Chrysler put the MDH of production on the FMVSS/CMVSS label because from what I know about that label it is only mandatory for the month and year at the top; hence the "ON THE DATE OF MANUFACTURE SHOWN ABOVE" and no reference to the lower right MDH info.
The month and year were only required because laws and regulation came into effect always on the first day of a month (i.e., Head restraints as of January 1, 1969, etc.) and not as of some random day during a month.
But still it's kind of a moving target because the bulletin states the MDH will be determined "at some point of production" but still that narrows it a lot because there would be very few cars that got started on say a Friday of a long holiday weekend and were finish on the following Tuesday. How many hours from Body-in-White until it rolled off the end of the production line.
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/04/10 04:31 AM
Just re-thinking at which point they may have put the FMVSS/CMVSS label on with the MDH info.....possibly when they installed the last component regulated by the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards on the car so they knew which cars they might be ordered by the Feds to recall. Could have been the wheels and tires, the wipers, or whatever was in these regs as of 1973 (I think up to FMVSS 214 back then).
Take a look at PART 566 and then PART 567 kind of goes with the GVWR on the label in the bulletin you posted.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/index.html#SN202
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/05/10 12:29 AM
I am quite certain that the Mylar labels were one of the last things to go on the car before they were driven out of the plants.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/05/10 02:37 PM
I'll try and see if that area is visable on my sticker. I'll let you know.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/06/10 01:56 PM
I forgot to look last night but I let someone from CC.com know about the MDH and he looked on his early production 73 Cuda. The MDH is 101810. The SPD is A26 and the door sticker says 10-72.
He is the origonal owner and he said he picked his new car up at the dealership on October 30th.
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/06/10 04:32 PM
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I forgot to look last night but I let someone from CC.com know about the MDH and he looked on his early production 73 Cuda. The MDH is 101810. The SPD is A26 and the door sticker says 10-72.
He is the origonal owner and he said he picked his new car up at the dealership on October 30th.
So, what I'm reading here in this thread seems to me that the SPD is the approximate or "scheduled" date that the vehicle will be ready to be shipped or leave the assembly plant for delivery to its final destination and not the scheduled day to start its production. It seems to be a date that even if it is intended for the media department across the street or town or for an in-house project at the other end of the plant the SPD is a date everyone can "kind off" work with for planning around it. (for example the very first post by Barry when destination charge payment was due). Not a drop-dead date but something that is at least a target for all to shoot at.
I would guess that from product planning to Body-in-White to the number of train cars to transport trucks needed to deliver the car can or would have been planned around the SPD. If the plant had a capacity of 1,000 cars per day then there should be a 1,000 fender tags with the same SPD....oops going off again...sorry.
MikeR
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/06/10 05:08 PM
In most cases the SPD was the date they
hoped to build the car when the order was first entered into the system.
Cool to see the example above being built 8 days early.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/06/10 06:40 PM
I went home early today so I looked at the VIN sticker for my car and it has a misprint on it.
SPD is 927
VIN sticker says 10-72
MDH is 121216 (I assume it should read 101216)
I'll have to look and see if there was a date written on the warrenty card my dad signed when he picked up the car.
Posted By: jeff968
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/06/10 07:03 PM
Great stuff Barry and this certainly explained the mystery of the two 'cuda buildsheets we spoke of. I was surprised to see a 'cuda at Carlilse with an SPD of 418 (1970) which I know was a Saturday!!!
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 04:54 AM
Images courtesty of Moparts member BossRide, note the Scheduled Production Date on the fender tag of 710 for July 10, 1973;
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 04:58 AM
Now note the actual date the car was built, check the MDH (Month Day Hour) code on his Mylar door sticker, it shows 07th Month, 12th Day, 18th Hour - two days after the SPD on his fender tag, so this car was built late.
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:14 AM
I think it got delayed two days because of the week before the 4th of July was on a Wednesday and everyone took off on Thursday and Friday because they were too hung over and partied out...what do ya think of that scenario
carry on just having some fun
MikeR
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:21 AM
Do Canadian plant workers celebrate the 4th of July?
Quote:
carry on just having some ice cold Molsen
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:24 AM
Another one from BossRide, this one has a much larger gap in dates. SPD on the fender tag is 616 for June 16, 1973;
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:26 AM
MDH for the actual build is
16 days later!It shows July 2, 1973;
Posted By: BossRide
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:42 AM
Wow, that is later... thanks!
Posted By: A12
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:51 AM
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Do Canadian plant workers celebrate the 4th of July?
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carry on just having some ice cold Molsen
No but they do celebrate Canada Day on July 1st unless it falls on a Sunday which in this case it did in 1973 so they celebrated Canada Day on Monday the 2nd which spilled (beer) over into the 4th because everyone knows Canadian beer especially Molson beer is better than any beer and that's the reason for the delay 
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 05:59 AM
All kidding aside, I bet we see an example or two closer to 3-4 weeks off sooner or later.
Posted By: burdar
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 02:08 PM
It was my cars 38th birthday yesterday...and I forgot. Sorry Challenger. You are looking a little better than you did at this time last year though.
Posted By: JohnRR
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/13/10 02:26 PM
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Another one from BossRide, this one has a much larger gap in dates. SPD on the fender tag is 616 for June 16, 1973;
Is this an original tag ??? looks TOO good
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/25/10 03:29 AM
Month & a day late on this one, C08 for December 8th, 1972 on the tag (1973 model year) and January 9th, 1973 on the Mylar door sticker;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Cha...55e6c28ce#v4-37
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/31/10 09:09 PM
Another late build, from a 1978 car this time. Note the B07 SPD, but the print time on the broadcast sheets is for the 10th - three days later.
Thanks to Casey for sending this one in.
Posted By: 474218
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/31/10 10:13 PM
It sure looks like 11-12-1340
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/31/10 11:57 PM
The zeros have a / through them, a few folks mistake them for twos.
Posted By: 474218
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 11/01/10 12:57 AM
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The zeros have a / through them, a few folks mistake them for twos.
I guess I was thrown off becuse Nov 12th is the anniversary of my birth?
Posted By: hemicar1971
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 11/01/10 01:20 AM
Barry I can not remember what happened in the strike years if Chrysler was the company that was the strike target or the second or the third to have there contract signed or not. I believe 1984 was a strike year in Canada. I believe the strike at General Motors was 21 days. I can not remember the other years before this. In Canada the contract before 1985 were all 3 year contracts. This meaning 1981,1978,1975,1972 could be strike years. I know in the USA each local has its strike time. This could be some reasons why the paper work would say: Example Seq. Build date of 10-11 and the vehicle because of a srike would delay the vehicle being built by the strike time to 10-29. This is just one of the reasons the build would be delayed for periods of time.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/16/11 01:22 PM
Any way you cut it the SPD is set in stone by Chrysler.Its stamped on the fender tag.It's on all factory and dealer documentation.It is used by the Parts Department for determining parts procurement....."up to and after" dates.Correct or not it is the date that Chrysler intended to assemble the car.Again correct or not it is your cars birthday.....Chrysler says so.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/22/11 03:38 AM
A cool 1970 example of an AAR that was built a bit early. Compare the SPD date to the month on the Mylar door sticker;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Plymouth-...c5b830113#v4-38
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/27/11 05:38 PM
Here is one that was built late. April 27 SPD yet the door sticker says May;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-CHAL...=item3cb626c6ce
Posted By: 70mopes
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/28/11 05:32 PM
Question for you Barry and Co.
I have a St. Louis built roadrunner convertible with a SPD of 4/16. It does not have its original motor but I am assuming the trans that came with the car is (it is missing its VIN stamp). The information I have been able to come up with which give some clues as to when it was built:
Axle housing assy dated 4/23/69
8 ¾ sure grip assy dated 4/22/69
3:23 ring gear dated 4/19/69
3:23 Pinion gear dated 4/16/69
Trans assy date 2818 4/15/69
SPD of car 4/16/69
I estimate (SWAG) build date of car between Thurs 4/24 and Wed 4/30 1969 What do you think?
Also;
Do you know if this kind of shift in production could have affected whether or not my trans was stamped with its VIN? I am assuming the trans I got with the car is correct and it's assy indicates that is a good possibility. Anyway, here is a picture of the trans. ID pad.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/29/11 01:14 AM
I would say that is the original transmission for your car.It has the right production date window.I have seen other A833's with the VIN # stamped and no other info on the pad.I have a 2817 A833 on my database that was for a 422 SPD as well as a 2819 A833 that was for a 430 SPD.Your RR should have a sequence # in the 9G251xxx to 9G2522xx range.
Posted By: 70mopes
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 03/29/11 03:32 PM
Thanks for the info. It does indeed fall within that range (251868).
Thinkin out loud here so bare with me...and comments or observations are welcome.....
With the info you have on your database the indication further supports my trans being the correct piece. Not sure how or why the VIN stamp was overlooked on some cars... strange.
I am going to say that my RR was built on 4/26 +/- a day based on your info - it would seem reasonable to conclude that a trans with a 2818 assy date would be earmarked for a vehicle with a SPD between 4/22 and 4/30 - so I put mine squarely in the middle.
The driveline part dates further support this. If my car had been built on its actual SPD of 4/16, the trans would more than likely have had an assy number in the 2808 to 2810 range.
2817 833 with 4/22 SPD from your records
2818 833 with 4/16 SPD My car... possibly data plate stamped wrong and should have been an SPD of 4/26 or was late build and given a trans that was assembled and slated for a later SPD car - more than likely the latter
2819 833 with 4/30 SPD from your records
Posted By: kentj340
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 07/15/11 04:00 AM
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My 69 has a B08 fender tag,which was Friday Nov. 8 1968. It was a St Louis car. I took delivery Monday Nov.11. Is it possible the car was built before Nov 8? It would have been possible to get it to the dealership over the wk. end.
Your car has the same birthday as mine. But mine arrived at the dealer quite a bit later. Here's the dates:
9/21/68 - I ordered the car, a Barracuda 340-S notchback with A/C, console, deluxe interior, M4, fast steering, front drums.
11/8/68 - SPD, despite the salesman told me delivery in 4-6 weeks.
11/8/68 - date code on the transmission.
11/9/68 - date code on the rear brake hose.
11/11/68 - date codes on one wheel and one bucket seat.
11/12/68 - date codes on two wheels.
11/28/68 - Thanksgiving Day I found the car at the dealer, so it must have arrived on Wednesday, 11/27, from Hamtramck.
11/29/68 - I took delivery of the car missing a Hurst knob.
11/30/68 - Got the knob. (Does this count as the assembly date?)
About 2008 - 40 years later, I discovered the 340-S emblems were missing too. Therefore, the car never really got fully assembled after all.
Judging from the arrival date at the Houston dealer, the car must have left Hamtramck quite a few days after the SPD. Or maybe the dealer didn't pay up on time.
Posted By: denfireguy
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 08/01/11 02:32 AM
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I was close, very late '72 & all '73 models;
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_1.jpg
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/TSBs/1972/25-09-72C%20page_2.jpg
For those with these labels among us, can you post the SPD from your fender tag / broadcast sheet & the MDH on your door sticker please?
Here is mine. Scheduled production date on fender tag of B28 (November 28, 1972). MMDDHH of 112409. That would be the Friday after Thanksgiving (USA) at 9 AM, four days before schedule on Nov. 24th.
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/12/11 01:53 AM
Heres a 70 Duster Invoice.Fender tag SPD C18......shipped 12-18.
Built ?
Posted By: Furyman
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/12/11 01:56 AM
Another 70 Duster.Fender tag SPD 605...shipped June 5th.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 10/12/11 02:30 AM
Very cool to see Nigel! I have not seen this before, I wonder why the schedule was changed?
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/13/12 04:15 AM
per the 3 copies that Nigel posted of the
DEALER COPY of the
VEHICLE INVOICEthe "scheduled date" appears to be the actual paperwork date the car's SPD was assigned, as they all precede the SPD.
the "shipping date" appears to be the actual shipping date, before or after the SPD.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/13/12 04:28 AM
My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
Posted By: RoadRunnerJD
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/13/12 04:38 AM
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Great stuff Barry and this certainly explained the mystery of the two 'cuda buildsheets we spoke of. I was surprised to see a 'cuda at Carlilse with an SPD of 418 (1970) which I know was a Saturday!!!
They worked on Saturdays too, didn't they? I had a 440 block with an EAD of 4 26.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/14/12 12:19 PM
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I just came across a b'cast sheet copy from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B4404?0 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet, upper left - Line 1 is 1 104164.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/14/12 08:00 PM
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from a '70 340 Challenger - VIN# JH23H0B440400 with a 730 SPD (Thursday, July 30, 1970).
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/12/12 08:13 PM
Another update. I went through all my photos of original Mylar door stickers that I have on file for 1970 Hamtramck cars so far.
Out of 428 of them, I also had the scheduled production date from the fender tag or other paperwork for 302 cars.
Of those 302 cars, 17 were built early (prior month on the sticker)
30 were built late (later month on the sticker)
One of them was built at least 33 days late, 929 SPD with a Mylar date of 11-69.
I will start on the 1970 LA car Mylars next.
If anyone has a photo of any original 1970 model year Mylar door sticker from any LA or Hamtramck built car, please email it to me?
Posted By: Cuda Cody
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/13/12 04:49 AM
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/13/12 05:06 AM
Thanks to you Cody for the recent additional data, it all helps.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 07/18/14 05:22 AM
Another one, 403 SPD for April 3, 1970;
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 07/18/14 05:24 AM
& the door sticker shows 3-70, for March of 1970, so this car was made at
least 4 days earlier than they hoped.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 01/30/15 10:31 PM
I was just able to redo an original set of 1970 Gran Coupe seats. There were two matching broadcast sheets in the seats so I knew the Scheduled Production Date (SPD). So, just for fun I noted all the date codes, note where the SPD is in the mix, for some reason this car was built later than hoped for when the order was first entered into the system.
9-06-1969 - Rear seat bottom upholstery
9-16-1969 - Rear seat back frame
9-22-1969 - Bucket seat bottom frame (1)
9-25-1969 - Rear seat back upholstery
9-25-1969 - Bucket seat back upholstery (1)
9-29-1969 - Bucket seat bottom frame (2)
10-02-1969 - Rear seat bottom frame
10-08-1969 - Bucket back upholstery (2)
10-08-1969 - Bucket bottom upholstery (both)
10-12-1969 - A12- Scheduled Production Date
10-14-1969 - Bucket seat back frame (1)
10-20-1969 - Bucket seat back frame (2)
Posted By: ebodyseast
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 05:13 AM
My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
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What month the door Mylar states should be the answer to how late in year, right?
My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence.
Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 08:51 AM
Here's a little chart I made up from info contained in some b'cast sheet copies I have. Anyone have a car & sheet with info that could be added - last 6 week of '70 model year production at Hamtramck. Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
At this point I'll "ASSUME" the sequence number is a starting point for a "body-in-white" build. With "000001" being JOB #1 & "106379+" being the last JOB# for the model year on assembly LINE #1. Any flaws in terminology or other?
ebodyseast, Can you get the "K"-frame date off your Barracuda?
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 04:30 PM
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 04:36 PM
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My '70 Barracuda also from Hamtramck has 703 SPD, is sequence 1 091675 and mylar is 6-70. And is a little over 2000 units later concerning VIN sequence.
Admire the work so far thanks for the time spent men.
It was built early then for some reason, like my Valiant mentioned above.
I have two sheets on file, the VINs are close to 30,000 apart but the cars were 4 builds apart on the assembly line.
Also, just for anyone reading all this, Hamtramck broadcast sheet sequence numbers used a different system that the other plants.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 04:45 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 07:58 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 08:32 PM
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Barry, got a few b'casts you could provide the top left info?
I have several, but I do not post or share registry member's data. If they want to share their data or put it out in public they can, but it is not my place to do so for them.
..... but don't you have sheets & info donated to "HELP THE CAUSE" that does NOT have a current owner except you ("H-H")? Sitting on piles of info hoping to some day find the matching car for a very small portion of them is wishful thinking & wasteful.
Posting that's "not correct" & providing NO documentary or evidence to the contrary is like having a missing piece of the puzzle & NOT sharing it.
I do not 'own' the found items, I am just the caretaker.
Wasteful? 395 items claimed so far, I am pretty sure that none of the owners of those cars think what I do is wasteful.
If the owners of any of the claimed items want to post them, that is up to them.
I have never asked anyone to take my word for anything. If I say something & it does not seem right, I am open to being proved wrong. No one learns anything by being right all the time & I know I have made mistakes. I also encourage people to do their own research.
If you have a bone to pick with me on a personal level, email please? It would be a shame if the thread derailed.
Posted By: 6bblgt
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/06/15 09:28 PM
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My '70 Challenger R/T - VIN# JS23N0B405351 has a 702 SPD (Tuesday, July 2, 1970).
The "SEQUENCE NUMBER" per the b'cast sheet (found in passenger bucket seat back), upper left - Line 1 is 1 105086.
This "SEQUENCE NUMBER" appears to be 14,000+/- units (cars) late for a 702 scheduled car. With production wrapping up for 1970 & I'll assume units per day on a decline, how late in the model year was this car actually built?
I am going to split the two cars up, just to avoid any confusion.
There is no way to know exactly how many cars were built after yours on assembly line one, but there were at least 1,976 cars after it.
Thank you. & I understand that an exact number is not probable, but as you titled the thread "estimated production dates" - that's what I'm looking to determine/help understand.
So, the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #1 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen is "1 107062"?
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If broadcast sheet data ever surfaced for all the cars on this line then an exact number could be determined.
The broadcast sheet sequence numbers were also subject to changes. I have seen two with the same number, on the bottom of the second one it was printed out again with an A after it to note that the two builds were different.
There is another one with a note at the bottom that says something like JOB X XXXXXX NOW FOLLOWS JOB X XXXXXX, so the sequence numbers while used to track the build, could be mixed on the line if a situation arose.
What does the door sticker show for the month on this car?
Yes, I know there are exceptions to most rules/procedures/etc. Not looking for exacts, but I am looking for more than "my car was built later than its 702-SPD". 7 - 70
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To narrow down an actual window of production you can note all the date codes from original parts on the car & enter them into a spreadsheet.
Hamtramck assigned VINs to cars on both assembly lines, but the sheets for Assembly Line 2 builds used their own separate numbers. So there are units per day per line & overall units per day for the plant.
Can you share the highest 1970 model year HAMTRAMCK LINE #2 SEQUENCE NUMBER you've seen: "2 2xxxxx" & its SPD?
Posted By: ebodyseast
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 02/08/15 04:14 AM
Its a Y14 car and its date on k-frame is 1070 1(107th day 1970) which is the same month as the carb. also had 2 broadcast sheets in exact same locations as your's were found, too!
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 11/06/15 08:48 PM
I started in on another set of seats in the shop today, these are from a 1970 Duster built at Hamtramck. It has a scheduled production date of 409, but one of the seat back has a 4 13 70 date code, so for some reason this car was built after its SPD.
Posted By: Alaskan_TA
Re: More about scheduled / estimated production dates...... - 11/22/15 10:26 PM
AAR Cuda seat back, this car had a 407 Scheduled Production date & a 4-70 Mylar door sticker.
The vinyl is dated 5-69.
The seat frame tag is dated 3-16-70.
