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I think pro-touring nowadays is really about making these cars more drivable. People complain about so called BIG wheels on pro-touring cars, but in reality they are actually smaller than most of the wheels that manufactures are putting on their new cars.

For example, I run 18 inch wheels on both my Charger and Daytona, yet my SRT8 Magnum came stock from the factory with 20's.

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The change in rims and tires significantly improved the handling on the cuda.

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I think pro-touring nowadays is really about making these cars more drivable. People complain about so called BIG wheels on pro-touring cars, but in reality they are actually smaller than most of the wheels that manufactures are putting on their new cars.

For example, I run 18 inch wheels on both my Charger and Daytona, yet my SRT8 Magnum came stock from the factory with 20's.

Also, keep in mind that it doesn't that much to make these cars go, stop and handle anymore. 5 or 10 years ago the aftermarket components simply weren't there, but thats just not so today. Brakes, suspension systems, A/C, etc... are all readily available.

Both my cars have been driven across the country multiple times and run and perform just fine and are stone reliable. The only downside is really interior noise and fuel economy, otherwise you can really drive these cars everyday.

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I think pro-touring nowadays is really about making these cars more drivable. People complain about so called BIG wheels on pro-touring cars, but in reality they are actually smaller than most of the wheels that manufactures are putting on their new cars.

For example, I run 18 inch wheels on both my Charger and Daytona, yet my SRT8 Magnum came stock from the factory with 20's.

Also, keep in mind that it doesn't that much to make these cars go, stop and handle anymore. 5 or 10 years ago the aftermarket components simply weren't there, but thats just not so today. Brakes, suspension systems, A/C, etc... are all readily available.

Both my cars have been driven across the country multiple times and run and perform just fine and are stone reliable. The only downside is really interior noise and fuel economy, otherwise you can really drive these cars everyday.

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MrAngry your cars look bad ass.
Do you have an overdrive on either?

FWIW, I think 18's are the biggest wheels that look good on these cars; any bigger and they tend to look goofey or they have to run tires with an inch of sidewall. Even the new cars wheels are getting too big because they don't tuck into wheel wells anymore; the wheel openings take up the entire side of the body panel and just doesn't look good to me.

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The original Pro Touring Mopar?

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Not hardly. There have been folks that have been into Mopar street handling since they were new. Not trying to take away anything away E-berg who has made great contribution to the awareness, inspiration, and technical support for Mopars that handle.

John Sandburg and Mitch Lelito have been running car in SCCA Solo II autocross in classed competition for a long time.

I think John started with his 67 Barracuda since it was new. Then built a more serious autocross AAR Cuda in the early 70's (real AAR btw). That car is a SCCA Solo II Champion (driven by his daugher in law!) And that car BEAT all the cars in the Good Guys autocross event in Illinois last year. Including the DSE Camaro by Steilow.

Now these guys are into racing their Mopars and getting them on the track. Not how pretty the rims or paint look. It's ALL about FUNCTION.

John's AAR



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Mitch Challenger has been running since the mid 70's.

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Not hardly. There have been folks that have been into Mopar street handling since they were new.

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That is what they were all about in Oz, instead of drag racing...it was road racing all the way