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OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE #591129
01/22/10 08:14 PM
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When using a windage tray on 440 I have used the 2 felt type gaskets that come with it....I have used silicone on every gasket, used 3m black adhesive to glue the first gasket to the block, and used permatorque sticky sealer-similar to gaskacinch...

I am just checking what you all do for torquing qualities and what type of sealers/cement/adhesives you use..I am looking for the best idea so that they dont leak..

I look at car shows and the most meticulous 440 engines still leak in the front corners of the oil pan gaskets near timing chain cover. 9 out of 10 cars leak in this spot....

thanks...Jeff...SKO VIKINGS THIS WEEKEND!!

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: minnesota guy] #591130
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Snug but not so much as to dimple the pan around the mounting holes. Run through a couple of heat cycles and recheck.


Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: minnesota guy] #591131
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VIKINGS THIS WEEKEND!!


yes Brett's the man . Side to side in GRADUAL and MULTIPLE stages till snug then sit overnight then more of the above but staying on the conservative side (for the torque amt). I think the torque amt depends more on the gasket/cement type you use.


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Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: minnesota guy] #591132
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Come on people ....WHERE are the Torque-Wrench-POLICE on this topic ? .. YEAH .. the guyz who say that each-and-every fastener in every part of the car must be TORQUED to that EXACT oem spec ! .....

Ferr-'da-record - it is EGG-ZACK-LEE 200 inch pounds !

But me ? ... I just snug-em-down with a 1/4" rachet ...

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #591133
01/23/10 01:21 AM
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200 inch pounds of torque.

Snug is a subjective term. "Snug-em-down" to one person may be loose to another.

In a perfect world were everyone was created equal, snug would be a torque value. The reason for torque specs is a common repeatable torque for everyone no matter how weak, strong or their experience level.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: Snoopy] #591134
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Well Snoopy......

..........what can I say OTHER THAN .........GET that inch-pounds TORQUE WRENCH out and have-at-it !

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #591135
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Doc,
What you are failing to understand is that snug means different things to different people. You are not taking into consideration the experience level of the reader. You are assuming that everyone that reads this thread has the same abilities that you do.

You give a 1/4" ratchet and socket to 10 different people and tell them to snug the bolt down, I can guarantee that you will get 10 different torques values.

That is why I alway list the torque values.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: minnesota guy] #591136
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I have not had great luck with sealing the oil pan either, but I am trying the grey RTV, and locktite on the oil pan bolts (ARP stainless bolts) because those bolts like to loosen up.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: Snoopy] #591137
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Doc,
What you are failing to understand is that snug means different things to different people. You are not taking into consideration the experience level of the reader. You are assuming that everyone that reads this thread has the same abilities that you do.

You give a 1/4" ratchet and socket to 10 different people and tell them to snug the bolt down, I can guarantee that you will get 10 different torques values.

That is why I always list the torque values.


And I will guarantee you that you will get different torque values in depending on the manual you are looking at. The main thing is to make sure not to over tighten, not tightening to the point of squishing the gasket or distorting the pan rail. I also recommend starting in the side center of the pan and working toward the ends in criss cross fashion and tighten in a couple of passes rather than just one. By the way my book shows 15 ft lbs. which is 180 inch lbs. See what I mean we already have a different torque spec.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: MoparforLife] #591138
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[ I also recommend starting in the side center of the pan and working toward the ends in criss cross fashion


good point


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Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: RapidRobert] #591139
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If you are using a old /used pan be sure the rails are flat. If the holes are coined over nothing you will do will prevent leaks.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: WILD BILL] #591140
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Been a while since I put a motor together, and yes, every one had a dribble somewhere.
Here's what I would try.
Make sure the threads in the block are clean.
Make sure the pan and windage tray are flat on the sealing surfaces.
Dry fit them to the block and see if all the holes line up and the surfaces match.
Use a good sealer and glue the gaskets to the tray, using a bunch of clothespins to hold them in place.
dry fit again to make sure the gaskets aren't hanging up anywhere. Trim if needed.
Apply a small amount of silicone at the areas where the gasket surface changes (front cover and
rear main) to help seal these areas.
start all bolts with locktite and slowly work from the center out, easing up to a torque spec.
recheck after a few heat cycles.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: Snoopy] #591141
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Quote:

Doc,
What you are failing to understand is that snug means different things to different people. You are not taking into consideration the experience level of the reader. You are assuming that everyone that reads this thread has the same abilities that you do.

You give a 1/4" ratchet and socket to 10 different people and tell them to snug the bolt down, I can guarantee that you will get 10 different torques values.

That is why I alway list the torque values.




Well Snoop .... I totally UNDERSTAND. You don't feel comfortable with your snug-"feel" ...and I said .. use your T-wrench. Whatever werks-ferr-U !

And yes ....GOOD POINT above about having flat and straight pan-rails.

Re: OIL PAN BOLT TORQUE [Re: BeEtLeJuIcE !] #591142
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I'm trying to remember now...I think mine went together with paper gaskets? anyway, I made an RTV sandwich with mine. skim coat on block rail, gasket, skim coat on both sides of windage tray, then installed, next gasket, and skim coat on oil pan. and by skim coat, I mean just enough to get the paper to stick down, NO BEADS OF RTV!!!

snugged it down...sorry torque value unknown...no leaks yet, and no gobs of RTV squeezed out all over the place.

this combo might make it hard to pull the oil pan with it in the vehicle, but I don't plan on pulling the oil pan very much. (never)


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I always "glue"(RTV) the gaskets to the W-tray and then lite-coat the block and pan-rail surfaces with oil ...so the gaskets will not stick.

The W-tray in my 62 was done in the late 70's with cork gaskets .... has been on-and-off maybe 6? times since then ... good as new.







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