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Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562492
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You guys mention that the new Holley Carbs are set way to lean out of the box. Based on my specs listed below how would you re-jet initally before installing the six pack setup on the car?




I'd leave them alone until they are on the engine and running, just be aware that they might be on the lean side, every engine has different fuel needs, trying to nail down accurate jetting and fine tune settings prior to running them is nothing short of guessing, plus your combo is fairly mild, the out of the box settings are a good place to start as a base line.


Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #562493
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You guys mention that the new Holley Carbs are set way to lean out of the box. Based on my specs listed below how would you re-jet initally before installing the six pack setup on the car?




I'd leave them alone until they are on the engine and running, just be aware that they might be on the lean side, every engine has different fuel needs, trying to nail down accurate jetting and fine tune settings prior to running them is nothing short of guessing, plus your combo is fairly mild, the out of the box settings are a good place to start as a base line.






I've always knocked the seal plugs out of the front & rear carbs & backed the idle mixture screws out 1/2 turn...

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #562494
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and finding jet plates for the outboards are a pain. if geting really radical, you can driil and tap the jet plates for replaceable jets. just make sure you plug the holes on the bottom of the plates


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Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: beepsalot] #562495
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If you've had any machine work done to the engine you'll need to check the intake mating to the heads/block...Don't take anything for granted

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562496
12/28/09 08:18 AM
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easy. get your $2200 and buy a set-up. It's as easy as any other intake carb set up. I put 64's in before I mounted the carbs. The kit comes with directions....

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Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Mr.Yuck] #562497
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Is the idle stop solenoid specific to the six pack setup. I don't think my 4bbl setup has that.

What does the idle solenoid do?

Thanks, Rob

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562498
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Yes it is specific to the 6pk and hard to find , been NS! for a very long time , if you find one it may not be cheap .

It is used to set engine idle RPM. Chrysler had a run on issue, I can only assume, so the easiest/cheapest way to fix it is to have the butterflies closed completely when you shut off the engine. The solenoid is powered up when you turn on the key and it open the butterflies, it is what you are supposed to adjust to set idle speed.

And no your 4bbl doesn't have it , though some 4bbl's had them , but they are different than what is used on a 6pk.

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562499
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Year One has the idle solenoid. About 200 bucks or so... I use one and it makes setting idle much easier. With 6 bbls feeding your engine (though 4 are mostly closed) you need some adjustability of the center carb. I can lope along at 1100 rpms in nuetral with my big cam and it will shut off when I cut the ignition. Nice!

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Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Mr71Bee] #562500
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You don't have to pay YO prices,they are all over eBay for not quite half that.

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: I go fast] #562501
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P.S. it's fun when the outboards open up....

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Mr.Yuck] #562502
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Who has the set up for $2200?

Did you use the kit from this supplier?

Joe

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562503
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Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: joewhite440] #562504
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Who has the set up for $2200?

Did you use the kit from this supplier?

Joe




I got it form Atlantic speed.
http://stores.ebay.com/AtlanticSpeed-Performance-Parts

with my 100 off e-bay coupon I got mine for under $2100 plus shipping. He even shipped it all to my friends house so the Mrs wouldn't see all the boxes...

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Mr.Yuck] #562505
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Thank you both for information!

Joe

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: joewhite440] #562506
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I just ordered mine yesterday from Jegs.com for a little over $2,100 shipping included.

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: JohnRR] #562507
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It is used to set engine idle RPM. Chrysler had a run on issue, I can only assume, so the easiest/cheapest way to fix it is to have the butterflies closed completely when you shut off the engine. The solenoid is powered up when you turn on the key and it open the butterflies, it is what you are supposed to adjust to set idle speed.




With a 4 speed car I have always gotten in the habit of slightly leaving the clutch out as I am turning the ignition off. (Kind of like stalling the car out by leaving the clutch out too fast and not giving it any gas). This will not allow the motor to keep running after you turn the ignition off.

If this is all the idle solenoid does, then I cannot see spending the extra money for it.

Any thoughts?

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562508
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As long as you don't have a run on problem save your money. I have one on mine but I use it in the opposite way. When I turn on my AC I switch on the idle solenoid bumping up the idle.

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setup [Re: 500Stroker] #562509
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According to Jim Schild's book, in 1970 the center carb was different depending if you had an automatic or 4 speed tranny.

R4375A - 4 speed carb
R4376A - automatic carb

R4383A - rear carb
R4382A - front carb

What was the difference on the center carbs?

What exactly is holley reproducing today for the 440 six pack setup?

My Challenger that I will be installing this on is a 4 speed car.

Thanks, Rob

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: cuda-sweden] #562510
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and as said before,you might need a new air breather to your passenger valve cover with a extra connection on it




My current air breather only has one connection. Where do I buy a new air breather with two connections?

Thanks, Rob

Re: Steps to Convert a 1970 440 4bbl to a Six Pack Setu [Re: Rob440Magnum] #562511
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You don't need another valve cover breather and holley makes a one carb fits all , you jet it to what your engine requires .

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