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Re: My two cents #547396
12/19/09 10:23 PM
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That the only reason you come here is to sell your stuff.

Re: My two cents #547397
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The proof is in the Harris Laboratories independent testing report and can be found here: Z-alt and then click on Z-alt Independent Test Results .

You obviously have no personal experience with this product yet you immediately dismiss the opinion of others who do. May I ask what your credentials are on this subject? And are you an oil dealer?


An engine builder/machinist/racer and I'm sure many at Speedtalk would love for you to come over there and explain the benefits from using your oil.

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Re: My two cents [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #547398
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Follow the money.. A member for 11 months yet fully 25% of your posts so far to date relate to this thread...


I notice that also, thus the skepticism. Only a participant when it can make a sale.

Re: My two cents [Re: Intense RT Dan] #547399
12/19/09 10:34 PM
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I just throw in 8qts of GTX 20w-50 and a bottle of Comp Cams break in lube. Problem solved. And for alot less than $47 for 6 cans (quarts?) that wouldn't even come close to filling my oil pan.

Re: My two cents [Re: Intense RT Dan] #547400
12/19/09 11:29 PM
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It's obvious that regardless of anything that I bring forth here, you are going to be skeptical of. So I suggest that if you have any question of how well the product works, you might want to give one of your fellow engine builders in your home state of NC, John Arruzza a call. For the last six months he has broken in all of his Hemis with the product, recommends it to all of his customers and runs Z-alt in his personal 1970 Daytona.

Re: My two cents #547401
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1970 Daytona?

Unless your talking about a clone or one of the very few they actually built for Chrysler execs, you probably shouldn't be working for a Mopar magazine, which I am a subscriber too by the way and is a pretty good read.

Re: My two cents #547402
12/19/09 11:49 PM
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Just did a search on speedtalk for his name...nothing. Speedtalk has a great deal of EMC participants discussing machining, building, OILS, damn near everything on there. If you can convince THEM you will be helping your product and have a great deal of networking possibilities and distribution.

Don't worry about convincing me. Convince them...I may just be impressed. I value their opinion as I am still relatively new to the industry compared to many many years that some there have in it. Plenty of new thought there as well including coming from the old timers there. They will hear you out. I warn you, though. Better have compelling evidence for them to just listen to you. They have heard claims from "snake oil" so many times.....

Re: My two cents [Re: JoesMopar] #547403
12/19/09 11:53 PM
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1970 Daytona?

Unless your talking about a clone or one of the very few they actually built for Chrysler execs, you probably shouldn't be working for a Mopar magazine, which I am a subscriber too by the way and is a pretty good read.




Sorry, 1969...my bad. Trying to watch the Saints game and type on here at the same time.

Looks like I need to concentrate on the game for now.

Re: My two cents [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #547404
12/19/09 11:58 PM
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Follow the money.. A member for 11 months yet fully 25% of your posts so far to date relate to this thread...




Update, fully 33% of your posts so far to date relate to this thread...

Re: My two cents [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #547405
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anything on this oil at Bob the oil guy site?

Re: My two cents [Re: ademon] #547406
12/20/09 11:32 AM
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anything on this oil at Bob the oil guy site?




Looks like there is Z-alt oil discussion

Re: My two cents [Re: Spike] #547407
12/20/09 12:27 PM
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Maybe it should be advertised on more pages of MCG..I like paying for a magazine subscription and see the same ad on practically every other page..


1972 Road Runner / GTX 440 4spd Dana 3.54 Just about to turn 26K original miles..

A boat, a GMC truck, some Craftsman Tools, LOTS of Zombie Protection, and a few Goldfish..

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If they come back it means nobody else wanted them either..!!
Re: My two cents [Re: Spike] #547408
12/20/09 12:31 PM
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Quoting Boss302fan "It is kind of strange that people are ripping this product before it is tested. A lot of collectors like me would like to have an oil that does work well with older original unmolested cars.

I would never use Redline or Gibbs oil in my unrestored cars. Actually those are good oils but I do have friends that have ruined engines because those oils broke down... Lets wait on Z-ALT until it is fully checked out before tearing negatively into it."


Quite amusing. Any multi-weight oil will break down as there are viscosity modifying chains that break down. I wonder what made him know for a fact the oils broke down. He mentioned unrestored engines...to break an oil down during op, that would be some serious type of road racing and improper viscosity selection/maintenance.

Re: My two cents [Re: Intense RT Dan] #547409
12/20/09 01:04 PM
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Z-alt additive is the key ingredient in Z-alt's muscle car oil, giving it (from what I've seen) superior protection over existing oils. However, there is no "ONE OIL FITS ALL". Z-alt's muscle car oil is a retro (1975 and older) SG petroleum formula oil with the correct ZDDP and detergent pack for such vehicles, making it the perfect blend for a muscle car. Z-alt 10x oil booster will be available this spring to substantially improve any exisitng oil it is added to.





I have a question that's a bit off topic. I've read that the reason zinc has been removed from most motor oil is due to it harming catalytic converters. So, that in mind, would Z-Alt be safe to run in any of my vehicles and not just pre 1975 cars?

Re: My two cents [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #547410
12/20/09 02:05 PM
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I have looked at this post and the other one here on Moparts on this Z-alt oil. I dont think I would buy it, its priced to high for non-synthetic oil! I read the test report on Z-alt web site and dont see anything special.
The three things that I see on the test is
Four Ball wear test
Noack volatility
TBN

When I compare the Z-alt to the Amsoil I use
Its Amsoil hands down! And for about the same price Amsoil is synthetic.

Four ball wear test Z-Alt .64 Amsoil .35
Noack Volatility Z-Alt 6.2% Amsoil 7.6%
TBN Z-Alt 6.3 Amsoil 12.1

Re: My two cents [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #547411
12/20/09 02:16 PM
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I have a question that's a bit off topic. I've read that the reason zinc has been removed from most motor oil is due to it harming catalytic converters. So, that in mind, would Z-Alt be safe to run in any of my vehicles and not just pre 1975 cars?




Z-alt stands for Zinc alternative and was in fact originally designed as an additive for current day vehicles, is EPA Green world-wide and is fantastic to add to any cat equipped vehicle. Z-alt muscle car oil is not, because it is an SG oil formulated with not only the perfect amount of ZDDP for older vehilces, but also with the OE recommended detergent pack blended in for such older vehicles rather than newer ones.

It is a misconception that you can throw more zinc into oil and make it perform better. There is a threshold where more zinc creates a hotter running engine because of the pressures it creates to push it through small passages. It's also a misconception that zinc is the protector of older motors. It is in fact phosphorous, (hence zddP) that protects the motor that must be kept into solution by the zinc.

Before Z-alt came out, I thought the best alternative was CompCams break in additive added to a quality petroleum oil. In my research, I have discoverd that the Comp product uses chlorine to achieve its results. Chlorine is very damaging to the inside of a motor if left in for any length of time. So while it may be a break in alternative, it is definitely not designed to run in a motor long term.

In response to those who are counting my posts on this subject as well as others, while I monitor moparts quite often, I try to only chime in on those subjects that I feel I can intelligently add productive discussion on.

Re: My two cents [Re: hemi471] #547412
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When I compare the Z-alt to the Amsoil I use, Its Amsoil hands down! And for about the same price Amsoil is synthetic.

Four ball wear test Z-Alt .64 Amsoil .35
Noack Volatility Z-Alt 6.2% Amsoil 7.6%
TBN Z-Alt 6.3 Amsoil 12.1




It is impossible to compare Amsoil oil one to one when viewing Z-alt's testing report because Z-alt's testing shown on-line is the additive alone, not the additive mixed in with an oil. So the comparison you are making would have to mean the customer would be running 100% additive with no oil! Which when you think about it, you would have to admit the figures are extremely impressive.

So what that means is when Z-alt additive is mixed into a quality oil it out performs the Amsoil product.

We have added Z-alt's additive to Amsoil and got fantastic results and would definitely consider it for certain applications, however for an older muscle car, I prefer a petroleum based oil with the correct additive additive pack to keep all gaskets and seals properly hydrated becuase my car sees limited use.

Re: My two cents #547413
12/20/09 04:23 PM
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I have an idea that might help this discussion, then again, maybe not

Everyone who is either an Amsoil rep, or a friend of an Amsoil rep... And everyone who is a friend of MCG or MCG himself should stop posting on this thread and let's see what happens.

If you have a dog or any part thereof, a foot, snout, claw... in this hunt, stand down. My bet is that it will get pretty quiet in here

Re: My two cents [Re: newvcode] #547414
12/20/09 05:44 PM
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lol, true

Re: My two cents [Re: Intense RT Dan] #547415
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Z-alt. Why no 10-40 offered if it is targeted at muscle?

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