Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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I have been perfecting a recipe to remove rust with minimal metal loss using simple household stuff and I finally got it right ! and I thought I would share with all of you! the best mixture I have made so far is as follows: 1/2 gallon of white vinegar 1/3 cup of salt 1 of those yellow squeeze lemon juice bottles. which I think are around 6- 8 ounces "realemon" lemon juice I have tried countless combos over the past year!! This combo just seems to work the best! and you can reuse it and reuse it! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/stirthepot.gif) All you have to do is soak it for a minimum of 12 hours or longer if the rust is deep.. and it comes off like mud !! I used a generic scotch brite pad to get some of the hard residue off and the parts come out looking like they were sand blasted ! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif) Plus it costs less than 5 dollars a gallon to make! I attached pics of my results my cell phone is taking fuzzy pics right now and i will try and update with some better pics!
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That guy at Carlisle with the girls in black short shorts that was across the isle from me who was pushing some rust remover elixir isn't gonna like this free recipe
LoL well sofar I have only tested this stuff with mopar rust.. His stuff might work on fords and chevys too lol ... You didn't by any chance take a pic of the rust remover babes did yah? .. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif)
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Excellent, thanks for sharing. I love the internets.
I can't afford this.
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I was kinda wondering about that myself.
I usually mix up a batch of baking soda and water to neutralize the parts I put in muratic acid.
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cool!! how do you neutralize the acids after your done?
Can't you just put it on your salad? ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puke.gif)
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Would a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water neutralize the acids? That's what it takes to neutralize metal after a soda blast.
Or acetone/Eastwood Pre?
I don't think baking soda and water would work if the surface was going to be primed or painted. Baking soda residue won't let the primer stick to the surface. At least that's the case with soda blasting - all the soda must be neutralized.
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Would a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water neutralize the acids? That's what it takes to neutralize metal after a soda blast.
Or acetone/Eastwood Pre?
I don't think baking soda and water would work if the surface was going to be primed or painted. Baking soda residue won't let the primer stick to the surface. At least that's the case with soda blasting - all the soda must be neutralized.
baking soda is a base, it will neutralize acids
vinegar is an acid, it will neutralize bases.
mix the 2 together and you have the standard, 3rd grade "volcano" science project.
bases can be just as corrosive as acids, such as the caustic soda that gets used in hot tanks to clean parts.
so, baking soda sand blasting that embeds soda into the metal...needs an acid to neutralize and remove for paint.
the rust remover above us using 2 acids and a salt...salts are chemically stable and I'm surprised if it is actually helping remove the rust in this case, but the 2 acids--vinegar and lemon juice, will need to be thoroughly washed away or neutralized prior to painting
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That guy at Carlisle with the girls in black short shorts that was across the isle from me who was pushing some rust remover elixir isn't gonna like this free recipe
Those girls were hot!!!!!!! Having them next to me all weekend made the 1500 mile trip worth it. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif)
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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Making some "free" stuff to use in a pinch is not the same as making it for routine regular use. Calculate the cost to make a full gallon and then let's see where you are. There are plenty of good "natural" rust solutions on the market. The one I use is $20/gallon for a concentrate that will yeild 4 gallons when mixed. At that price is it really worth all the farting around? That's time you could have been working on your car or spending with your kids.
so whats the brand/name of the stuff you use and where did you get it? any before/after pics of it "in action"? ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif)
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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Wow lots of different opinions and questions to answer! I got the salad dressing idea from a neighbor that restores lamps and antiques.. he uses a similar solution for lightly rusted stuff. His sons a student at our local university and he explained how the 2 acids and sodium react to make this combo work. He also told me they use this solution to clean corrosion off of copper pots , brass fittings and to remove rust. You can make your penny's shiny if you want with this stuff and it will make silver shine like new!.. I just kept making different solutions "some from the internet that claimed they worked" and keeping track of which ones worked the best and was the cheapest to make over a year period. As far as losing family time as one guy insinuated I had my kid help me so I didn't lose and quality family time LOL We even went to the lake and my daughter used our metal detector to find items and we put them in the solution to clean them up .. I tried alot of the recipes I have found on the net and alot of them didn't work at all.. This recipe works the same as the stuff you buy at my local parts store "oriellys" and it even smells the same! .. I have yet to see anything cheaper "delivered" to your door that actually works! Where I am at vinegar is $1.98 a gallon lemon juice is .88 cents and salt is $1.oo for a box.. now as far as neutralizing it .. I wash everything down with a light mixture of dawn soap and water if i am not going to paint it right away I just put some light penetrating oil onit to keep the rust from coming back....Its really not a bother to make this stuff! I mean they sell all the stuff at your local food mart.. I used it on my fender tag and it left the paint intact and only attacked the rust and left the paint where the paint was still fully intact.. I haven't tried it on aluminum or something that is zinc plated.. so I cant answer that question other than I wouldn't put any acid with aluminum! back in high-school we used to make drano bombs out of a 2 liter bottle, aluminum foil and some drano or drain opener.. So I think even this mildly acidic formula would attack the aluminum. and LOL I bet this formula doesn't work as fast or efficiently as a 20k soda blaster but it could greatly reduce the contamination the soda sees before you blast it hence making the soda last longer... As far as salad dressing goes I guess if you thinned it out with some water it might not be half bad! I'll have to get back with you guys on that one. lol I might try it out on the wife's relatives this xmas.. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
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I mixed up a batch a few minutes ago and put in a shock plate that I had sitting on the shelf. We'll see how it goes...
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Okay, tried it yesterday starting at noon, took it out at 3am and it was still pretty crusty so put it back in and took it out at 9:30 am this morning. 21 hours?
Anyway it was a REALLY rusty and crusty shock plate that I had just laying on the shelf. Here are the results:
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On the areas like the shock mount and washer where the rust wasn't that bad it took it off in the 12 hours.
I'll put it back in and let it soak for another 12 hours or so. Honestly it's pretty impressive as corroded as these things were (pic's don't do it justice).
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I didn't get before shots but here is the opposite side and they looked much the same:
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No pics at this point but after leaving the plate in another day or so it came out almost completely free of rust and looking brand new!
I'm impressed!
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Here we are after a few days of soak off and on. Seems to work better in a warm environment.
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It's a lot better than it looks. The flash makes what little corrosion that is still there overemphasized.
Keep in mind I picked out the rustiest, nastiest thing I had in the garage to test it out!
I've also done a u-bolt and a splash shield (goes right in front of where the K-from bolts on the framerail) and it was amazing how clean both came out!
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Another thing to consider is that ANY acid based rust remover ALSO removes the metal itself, at the very least you'll end up with an acid etched surface. Consider this if you are trying to preserve any of the original part surface appaearance. If the surface is a concern stick with a product like Evap-O-Rust that destroys rust and leaves all other materials (metal, paint, etc, metal finishes, etc.) 100% intact.
Yet another opinion! I suppose you could look at it from the aspect of most likely if the item is rusted up the finish is going to have to be redone anyways! I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!
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I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!
Obviously for some heavily corroded or rust covered parts the surface won't matter and the acid approach is a valid choice, but my comments on more delicate surfaces are not simply "Another Opinion" it's verifiable fact.
Acids are corrosive to most metals and many other materials, not just rust. You may have had an example of one paint that was not affected, but you can't say that accross the board it won't harm paint.
Products like Evap-O-Rust do not harm ANYTHING but the rust itself.
.....And no, I don't work for Evap-O-Rust ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif)
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I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!
Obviously for some heavily corroded or rust covered parts the surface won't matter and the acid approach is a valid choice, but my comments on more delicate surfaces are not simply "Another Opinion" it's verifiable fact.
Acids are corrosive to most metals and many other materials, not just rust. You may have had an example of one paint that was not affected, but you can't say that accross the board it won't harm paint.
Products like Evap-O-Rust do not harm ANYTHING but the rust itself.
.....And no, I don't work for Evap-O-Rust
Actually your mistaking on this! the ph value of evaporust is 6 they claim 6-7.1 @ 1% anything below a 7 is infact a acid I am sure if we measure vinegar @ 1% it will be alot higher than a 3-4 on the ph scale!
It is infact a weaker acid "maybe" but still an acid!! Some examples of weak acids are acetic acid (found in vinegar), carbonic acid, hydrofluoric acid, and formic acid. evapo-rust although they claim they are not a acid my guess is if you take their straight solution and measured the it would be infact a acid! and not a base! I like how they measure it at 1% ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif) http://www.evapo-rust.com/technical/EvapoRustTDS.doc
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evapo-rust although they claim they are not a acid
Well based on thier claim, yes I am right. But who cares anyway, acid/base, whatever. Right, Wrong, etc. What matters is that it works and doesn't harm delicate surfaces or finishes like the vinigar/citrus/salt blend can. I've tried Evap-O-Rust on a TON of small delicate items, I have never had an issue on any of them, not something I can say about the V/C/S mix, it's FAR more aggressive.
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I've tried it with Evap-O-Rust on my Honda 90, worked fantastic! Simply add the empty tank, leave it overnight with the cap on, pour it out the next day (it's re-usable, save it). After it's drained you can rinse it out with solvent and seal it with gas tank sealer, or if it's solid with no leaks just add gas and go.
By the way, from thier website:
Why Use Evapo-Rust ™� Removes rust quickly without scrubbing. � One gallon de-rusts up to 300 lbs of heavily rusted steel. � Removes even heavy rust .. COMPLETELY. � No fumes or bad odors. � Non-toxic. Safe on skin. Non-corrosive. � Non-flammable. No VOC's. � Easy to use, immerse part in solution. Water soluable. � Requires No Special Equipment. � Contains no acids, bases, solvents or other toxic ingredients. � Can be disposed of safely into sewer. � Will not attack un-rusted steel. � Safe on other metals.
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Each works in it's own way and his advantages/disadvantages. If I had to pick a favorite, I think it would be evaporust, but there are also a lot of parts where the cheap easy acid solution would be a viable alternative.
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BTW, for those who want to see just what the difference is between Evap-O-Rust and the Home brewed V/C/S mix concerning the acids effect on good metal (and not just the rust), put a small sample of each fluid in a jar. Add a few pennies to each, and toss in another item made of clean raw steel, results will vary with the proximity of the steel parts & the pennies, the effect will be more dramtic if they are touching. Let it sit overnight and have a close look at the pennies and steel parts, post your results here.
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The molasses dip does work, and quite well. It does take plenty of time to do the job, and it does stink, but there's probably not a safer cheap way to de-rust big parts like engine blocks, heads, etc. I had a big plastic horse trough filled with it, got the molasses for free (stole it from my mom, she has horses ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif) ), it works better when warm so I wrapped it with pig blankets (like a heavy duty water proof electric blanket also available at the farm supply store) and kept it warm that way in colder months (worked VERY well and not a huge draw on the power bill) but to do big nasty stuff that needs to soak for a month it's best to hold off til the summer heat arrives. Be sure to keep it covered tightly to retain heat and stave off evaporation.
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can you post pic of the lemon juice bottle? are you talking about concentrate? or id like to mix up enuff for a 5 gallon bucket to have around what about parts that cant be submerged? wonder if you could use like a gravity filter off a aquarium and a tray under the part so it runs over the part collects at the bottom then pumped back to the top ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif)
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can you post pic of the lemon juice bottle?
Seriously? Youv'e never seen these in the store? Some are shaped like a lemon, some aren't, all the same stuff.
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I got a chance to try it out this weekend and it worked great, although I let it soak for 48 hours just to be sure. It didn’t damage the paint or the seam sealer. I still need to treat the inside with metal prep to protect the bare metal. If you get a chance you should try it. Before... ![](http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/67vertman/100_1253.jpg) After.... ![](http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww107/67vertman/100_1378.jpg)
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That's correct Scott.
I used a Baking Soda rinse, and I am planning on treating the whole inside with Pixle 20 Rust and metal prep.
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Well I had to give it a try and OMG did it work well. 24 hours later and this is what I had. But do yourself a BIG favor. Don't use an aluminum pan to soak your parts in. In 36 hours you will have a pan with many holes in it and a big mess......don't ask me how I know. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif)
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...does not do very much to painted parts however. But this could be a good thing. Somebody needs to soak a part that has many inspection marks on it to see how that comes out. In theory it should remove the rust and keep the inspection marks behind. Anybody have a 8 3/4 third member that they could try this on???
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The paint will come off it just takes a little longer.
I did a license plate bracket from a '63 330 and it's taken about 3 weeks but the black paint is almost all gone. Seems to come off in sheets/bubble off.
Paint usually stays intact on parts that you don't dip for very long.
I've put lots of parts in my "brew" in the past few weeks and they all come out looking like new!
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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Troy, You are seeing the results of what acid does to nearly any metal, that's why they sell it in plastic jugs ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif) It's also why I caution users against using the home brew on delicate or plated items as it will remove the rust first, but the good metal is next, it's just slower acting on good metal. The products I've mentioned before such as Evaporust will give the same rust removing results (yes it costs more than vinigar & lemon juice) without doing ANY harm to the good metal below it, so choose your rust removal products wisely. *Ever cover your leftover spaghetti with aluminum foil? If the foil is toucing the foil you'l find holes in it the next day!
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so How do you neutralize it? anyone?? thanks in advance
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bringing this back up ... ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bump.gif)
Anyone that dipped any bolts for an extended period notice the the threads getting eaten away ? I haven't used this particular mix, just white vinegar itself, on a set of lower control arms and left them in for over a week, the threads on the exposed part of the t bar adjustments were eaten to the point of the bolts being junk.
How bad were they to begin with? If the corrosion is really deep all you're removing is the oxidized metal and the damage was done well before it was put in the bath.
With different materials and levels of corrosion, it's best to check at least a once a day on the progress.
I know the galvanized headlight buckets tend to lose their "sheen" within a few hours and don't require near the time to de-rust and clean while I had shock plates in the solution for 2+ weeks. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shruggy.gif)
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what does the vineagar do to other parts such as brass, alum. copper?? if one of them metals were mated to steel that you was de-rusting?
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i have the perfect thread test ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smoke.gif) rusty adjusters on 4spd shift rods and a silver chain for the heck of it. the adjusters are frozen solid and will not move. i just dropped them in the solution and i will post my results tomarrow night ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcrn.gif) ![](http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/flypaper38/2010_0716ioiznn0795.jpg)
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no guido/piney here!!! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rant.gif) at least i think its silver? ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) i even tossed in a crusty fender tag also to try out ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif) after 9 hrs the adjusters are still frozen solid on the threads.. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rant.gif) the rods do have nasty residue on them but look like they are cleaning up the fender tag is looking better i guess i will let it soak for another day and see if the adjusters will free up
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iv been messing with some over last week or 2 even thou you got it soaking take a small brass brush pull the part out and lightly brush it you will see a film come right off may be a couple spots size of a corn flake that may need some extra soaking iv learned you have to have the whole part submerged as i had a tail shaft housing off a 4 speed and had enuff to cover half way up (laying down) well you cant roll it over and do the other side but the side that was in worked very good as this thing looked like its been outside in the weather for years lol
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here are my findings the shift rods cleaned up like new but the adjusters are still frozen ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rant.gif) i'm soaking them in pb blaster now the fender tag came out nice and clean but it now has some holes in it that it didn't have before ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rant.gif) i threw in a tag i didn't care about but i don't think i'm throwing any tag i care about any time soon ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif) overall some pretty good results, but i would be real careful about what i would put into this solution ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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Baking soda will neutralize acid, but you need to use enough of it to do a complete job. Mix it into a super saturated soloution (keep pouring powder and mixing in to water until the powder no longer disolves and piles up on the bottom)
Not to be a D!cK, but super saturation refers to elevated saturation levels due to conditions other than normal, for example: increased pressure or temperature. What you are referring to is merely a saturated condition.
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Not to be a D!cK, but super saturation refers to elevated saturation levels due to conditions other than normal, for example: increased pressure or temperature. What you are referring to is merely a saturated condition.
Ok, yeah I'm a nerd. Carry on...
My 9th grade science teacher, Mr. David Bowman, tought me wrong then.....I digress.....
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Looks good but your going to want to remove the paint off the valance before you dunk it...it wont remove paint.
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Looks good but your going to want to remove the paint off the valance before you dunk it...it wont remove paint.
If you leave it in there long enough it will ...
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Evaporust , I found some last night but it was just a small bottle , is this a concentrate , it didn't say anything on the bottle so this is probably a stupid question. If it's not I'd have to spend $100 to get enough to put anything like a valve cover in it
I used it to clean up my spindles and instead of pouring a ton of evaporust into a big container I put them in a big zip lock bag one at a time and filled the excess space with small river rocks. This allowed me to use alot less of the evaporust and still get the whole spindle submerged.
For a valve cover I would settle for cleaning it one side at a time rather than using a lot of fluid to do it all at once. I'd make a rectangular frame out of scrap wood just big enough to hold the object and then set a trash bag in it filled with 1/4" or so of evaporust and then just rotate the valve cover over every few hours.
You can clean sheetmetal with this stuff by making a dam out of clay and then pour the evaporust inside. When you done you can remove it with a suction bulb.
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I'm on my second batch. Works quite well for me. I put parts in when I get home in the evening and then pull them out the next evening after work. Garage is cold this time of year, and I don't have time after work to get the sandblaster going, so this way I'm able to a little bit during the week.
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Framing square and clamps turned out pretty good. Rear valance needed to be flipped over, it'll come out tomorrow.
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Glad to find this thread is still active and it's great to see what you all are doing with it. I was reminded of it just recently: My 7-year-old found this same mixture in a paperback science book for kids showing them how to turn tarnished pennies all shiny. It explains that the acetic acid in vinegar changes into hydrochloric acid when it mixes with the salt. Same as stomach acid. No mention of the lemon juice. He drops a penny in and 10 seconds later it's shiny. I will use it on a bunch of nuts, bolts, brackets. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif) If it hasn't been discussed yet, one way to neutralize the acid is to rinse the parts in a mix of baking soda and water. -Art
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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couple of questions, jamesdart said his batch lost its strength after three days,anybody else had this problem? would putting in a sealed container help? i know my 22 dollar a gallon of evapo-rust did, reused three times.good for bolts, anything larger would cost a fortune. would heating up the mixture help(floating tank heater)we use one for the horse tank. as far as the cost, use the good stuff for delicate parts, the vinegar for the other, a no-brainer.
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[Re: Rug_Trucker]
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I've used straight vinegar a lot, and it works very well - see photo. Haven't tried adding lemon juice and salt yet. Vinegar immersion in half day increments is about right. If it's not good enough yet, give it another half day, and check again. Afterwards, a simple rinse in hot water with dish soap, followed by thorough hand wire brushing prevents flash rusting. That photo was taken January, 2011, and 15 months later, those parts still look exactly the same, awaiting phosphating.
I've also been experimenting with Evaporust, which is a heck of a lot more expensive than vinegar. It works a lot faster than vinegar - inspection every 1-2 hours is about right. Evaporust can't seem to quite get the job done right without some help - usually some elbow grease with sandpaper or wire brush is needed, which is okay with me. I think it is always best keep the exposure to the chemical solution (whatever it is) to the absolute minimum needed, not any more. Periodic removal from the Evaporust or vinegar and inspection to find stubborn places that need some minor physical rust removal with sandpaper, wire brush, or light scraping with a file will shorten the immersion time a lot.
If using a costly rust remover like Evaporust, it's best to remove all loose and easily removeable rust by hand before immersion. That way, you aren't wasting and depleting the strength of the chemical needlessly.
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I went to buy some white vinegar and all i could find was a watered down mixture to 5% acid (said on the label).Is this what everybody is using? Be nice to find full strength somewhere then dilute to what would work. It was 2.98 gal. walmart.
That's what I've been using. Just the store bought dilute acetic acid, $2.08/gal at Kroger's last night.
I just had a brake backing plate in EvapoRust for maybe four or five 2-hr sessions, and it looked like it still had a long way to go. So last night I decided to park it in vinegar over night to see what would happen. The EvapoRust is so much stronger than vinegar, I wasn't expecting much. This morning it was 99% finished! What I like about the vinegar is it changes the rust to either a sludge you can scrape off, or, in this case, the remaining rust was like small scabs that were easily flicked off - no need to make the chemical dissolve every last bit - better to knock the rust off, if it's ready to come off.
This afternoon decided to stick it back in the EvapoRust for the concluding clean up. After a hot soapy water rinse with brush, of course it flash rusted - see photo. But there is a solution for that. I'll take another photo of what to do about the flash rust and post it tomorrow.
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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Here's the after photo. To get rid of the flash rust, I coated the backing plate with Rust Cure (www.rust-cure.com) using a cheap nylon bristle brush and thoroughly wiped the Rust Cure off immediately. Another application and wiping off may be needed. If you don't wipe it off, there is a residue that can be removed with re-application of Rust Cure and wiping.
Rust Cure is a phosphoric acid-based rust remover, similar to other phosphoric based solutions but stronger. For most rust removal, I am using EvapoRust or vinegar, but Rust Cure is very good to fix flash rusting until you can finish restoring the part.
My backing plates were all originally phosphated, so that's the way they will be restored. When it comes time to phosphate, I will wash off the Rust Cure, do a final pickle in vinegar, and immerse in the phosphating solution.
For parts that need to be painted, apply paint on top of the Rust Cure - do not remove it. Allow one week Rust Cure drying time before painting.
For parts that were originally bare metal, the medium gray appearance left by Rust Cure may be too dark. You can remove the Rust Cure with a hot wash, then hand wire brush for a few minutes to get more metal shine. Then immediately coat with wax, RPM, or similar. To get the right balance of gray vs. shine, you can experiment. Generally bare parts of flat, thin metal were cut from cold rolled steel that was shiny, while thick parts were cut from hot rolled/pickled & oiled steel that was gray and less shiny. The Rust-Cure gray should be about the right color for rear spring brackets and the spring plates with shock absorber mounts.
For bare metal parts that were forged or heat treated, such as suspension parts, there have been several posts here about using gun bluing followed by RPM. You can remove the Rust Cure by washing, then hand wire brush, then apply bluing and RPM. I haven't done this yet - it may work to put the bluing on top of the Rust Cure.
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from my experience with different products, EVAPO RUST is the stuff to use. for a 5 gallon pail its about $99-115 depending where you buy it.
the best price i found was at my local harbor frieght with the 20% off coupon it comes out to 18 bucks and change a gallon. i wish i could find it local in 5 gallon pails. the shipping is what makes it expensive.
to control flash rust when i take the part out of the evaporust, i just rinse with water, then i take a hair drier and dry the part as fast as i can. thats the whole key if you let the water sit on the part and dry on its own then it will flash most of the time. i never have had any flash rust ever doing it that way if i'm not going to prime the part right away and its small, i put it right away when its totally dry in a ziplock bag to keep the air off it.. some stuff i have had sitting away for months before i primed it and i have had zero flash rust problems yet doing it that way..
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http://www.rustremover.net/
I buy 5 gallon pails of Evaporust from these guys. Shipping is reasonable, by the UPS people.
at the rate i'm going i should just bite the bullet and buy the 30 gallon concentrate its first time i saw that.. checking the prices the concentrate would be the only thing to work out cheaper for me ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif) a couple of the stupid ideas i had with the stuff were spinning the car upside down on the rotisserie and filling up the roof with it and then toss a bunch of parts in also as well. my other idea was to cut some 2" pvc pipe in half long ways,cap the ends and now you have a trough for a swelling or crusty deck lid seam and door seams it might get in there better then blasting the part ever would...
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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!!
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I again tried the lemon, vinegar, salt combo on some old wrenches and it worked very well. I had a bunch of very old year wrenches of all makes and styles up to 2" being 20" long and the soak worked very well. Some of them are really weird, and super old, and they really cleaned up nicely.
I'm going to try this solution in my heated ultrasonic to see what it does on really bad stuff. Easier than bead blasting, and cheaper than anything else.
Good tip, that's why I'm bumping it again, thanks OP.
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