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SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER #539394 11/28/09 08:31 PM 11/28/09 08:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york T tx9440 OP member
tx9440 OP member T Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york	I am in need of some help. I am looking to find out the size of the space saver for my 70 challenger 440 car. The vehicle has 14 inch rally wheels on it and believe it to be correct(original 21,000 miles). I do not have a build sheet so all I can do is assume by the restorations books i have read. Also the vehicle has a rear defroster and have seen some original paper work stating that this would require a space saver. I have been told that w/14 inch rally wheels the space saver would be E-78-14 with a 14x5 1/2 wheel with a part #2944236. I found this space saver on the internet and the guy wants $550.00 restored. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you 1965 GTO 4 spd tripower convert 1966 GTO 4 spd a/c factory red on red 1969 1/2 Superbee 4 spd butterscotch 1970 Challenger RT 440 4 spd factory black on black

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539395 11/28/09 09:05 PM 11/28/09 09:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD floyd master
floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	You should have a f78-14 BF Goodrich Space Saver. The correct rim is a Kelsey Hays (KH) and there is no Chrysler part number on it. As far as I know no 70-71 E-body came with an E-78 space saver. Do a search here in moparts. There have many of threads on this topic. You may want to post over in the Resto section too. Do some research before buying. There are a lot of mis-informed sellers (and shysters) out there hoping to score big money on the compact spare confusion.

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539396 11/28/09 09:05 PM 11/28/09 09:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif. S Snoopy master
Snoopy master S Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif.	F78-14 B.F. Goodrich No ribs on inner wheel around lug nut holes. Area should be flat. Six holes. 5 lug nut and 1 stamped locater hole directly across from valve stem. Black. 5632933-spacesav.jpg (754 downloads)

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: Snoopy] #539397 11/28/09 09:06 PM 11/28/09 09:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD floyd master
floyd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,115 MD	Here's an older post with much info: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539398 11/28/09 09:27 PM 11/28/09 09:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,862 albany ny 0 05dakota I Live Here
05dakota I Live Here 0 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,862 albany ny	IS there a donut from a new mopar that will work?

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539399 11/29/09 12:58 AM 11/29/09 12:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif. S Snoopy master
Snoopy master S Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,850 Central Coast, Calif.	Read this post before you do anything. 70 'Cuda full size spare wheel (Rim) size? The part number, 2944236, you listed is for a full size spare.

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539400 11/29/09 03:58 AM 11/29/09 03:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 308 Turneffe B BJohnson enthusiast
BJohnson enthusiast B Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 308 Turneffe	Quote: Also the vehicle has a rear defroster and have seen some original paper work stating that this would require a space saver. Required only with dual speakers and rear defogger, otherwise it would be an extra cost option as with any other 14" equipped hardtop.

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539401 11/29/09 11:57 AM 11/29/09 11:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york T tx9440 OP member
tx9440 OP member T Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york	I am confused. I thought if the car came with 15 inch rally wheels then you would have a F-78-14(7.75-14) space saver and E-78-14(7.35-14) if the car has 14 inch wheels. Also does build date play a part in the space saver size. My build is 3/70 which puts it 6 months into the model year(exactly mid year). 1965 GTO 4 spd tripower convert 1966 GTO 4 spd a/c factory red on red 1969 1/2 Superbee 4 spd butterscotch 1970 Challenger RT 440 4 spd factory black on black

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539402 11/29/09 02:41 PM 11/29/09 02:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA	See the page at this link; http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0020.jpg Also see W34 (and H31) on this page; http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0021.jpg R31 here; http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/dealerships/DealershipDataBook/1970/70_Challenger0023.jpg The tire size noted at the first link is the early one, it did change during the model year. I do not see any mention of the space saver being required with R31 or H31?

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: Alaskan_TA] #539403 11/29/09 03:25 PM 11/29/09 03:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york T tx9440 OP member
tx9440 OP member T Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15 new york	Thanks for all the info. I think if i put it all together I should have a space saver that is a 14x51/2 rim with no part number with a BFG F-78-14 tire . 1965 GTO 4 spd tripower convert 1966 GTO 4 spd a/c factory red on red 1969 1/2 Superbee 4 spd butterscotch 1970 Challenger RT 440 4 spd factory black on black

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: tx9440] #539404 11/29/09 03:46 PM 11/29/09 03:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	The spare tire hold down theaded rod was in a different location for space saver spares as compared to the full size spares. If your trunk is original post a pic of the hold down area.

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539405 11/29/09 09:26 PM 11/29/09 09:26 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky G gomangoRTSE pro stock
gomangoRTSE pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	Quote: The spare tire hold down theaded rod was in a different location for space saver spares as compared to the full size spares. If your trunk is original post a pic of the hold down area. ______________________________________________ Would someone be kind enough to post pics of the locations. My RT/SE has a rear defroster and two rear speakers. I received the car without any spare or jack. Thanks

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: gomangoRTSE] #539406 12/01/09 05:12 PM 12/01/09 05:12 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky G gomangoRTSE pro stock
gomangoRTSE pro stock G Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,489 west kentucky	Quote: Quote: The spare tire hold down theaded rod was in a different location for space saver spares as compared to the full size spares. If your trunk is original post a pic of the hold down area. ______________________________________________ Would someone be kind enough to post pics of the locations. My RT/SE has a rear defroster and two rear speakers. I received the car without any spare or jack. Thanks _________________________________________________ Ummmm

Re: SPACE SAVER FOR A 70 CHALLENGER [Re: gomangoRTSE] #539407 12/01/09 06:21 PM 12/01/09 06:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	.click on word "attachment" to enlarge 5639440-5339506-70-71E-BodySpareSetup.jpg (444 downloads)

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