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Brewer Heads #532622
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i have an nc program for fred brewer heads if anyone out there has any that do not perform up to their expectations...

flow 460/295,, 335 with a pipe on exh,, .900 lift,, 50 degree seats

2.375/1.860

56 cc chamber

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #532623
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i had no idea those heads were capable of those kinda #'s. anybody want to trade for some -1's.

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: John Burdine] #532625
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Fred Brewer got it right years ago. The only head that flows better is the B1-PSO. Brewers valves are even longer than B1s...wish I had a set..you see them from time to time in the classifieds.

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this head would flow right with a pso,,, just depends on how big the ports are in each,, but with the same flow id bet the brewer would make more power because the intake port is raised higher,, better approach to the cylinder,, its better for the inertia effect on the cylinder while filling in the compression stroke..

brodix aluminum is known for not being good,, some guys wont use a brodix on power cars no matter what,,, mike moran has told me some horror stories,, ive seen many brodix heads that seemed fine new then turned to mush after running awhile.

you can also bolt on a 440-1 header to the brewer,, makes it easier to get the motor in cars,, and header availability is better for guys that do not have a custom header shop in their area

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #532627
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anyone know what happened to the casting cores?

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: TS3303] #532628
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Wow..I didnt know...
I passed on a set of these once cause I just didnt feel I knew enough about them etc..I assume only sheet metal intakes was used? Was there ever a cast intake produced?

Come on guys lets see these thing..post some pics..
I posted a thread about these a few years ago, when i happen to run across this set..This tread has more info than what I uncovered..LOL


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Re: Brewer Heads [Re: Bob_Coomer] #532629
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A buddy bought a new set in '91 or '92 or was later on...but never used them. I could check and see if he still has them.
Fred

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weren't they based off the AMC pro stock head of years ago? i thought they themselves had casting issues. iirc not all that long ago there was a thread here saying the casting cores were still in existence

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: TS3303] #532631
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anyone know what happened to the casting cores?




I heard a few years back that Fred was selling the casting cores. I still dont know why some one does'nt bring these heads back. They are simply the best wedge head ever made.

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: jamesc] #532632
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if I remember correctly Eric Shelton did alot of work with Brewer and may be a resource.

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: jamesc] #532633
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weren't they based off the AMC pro stock head of years ago? i thought they themselves had casting issues. iirc not all that long ago there was a thread here saying the casting cores were still in existence




According to Senatores book, the Brewer is "very similar to the 1970 AMC pro stock head"..so maybe thats where Fred got his design.

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: TS3303] #532634
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Canfield had the core boxes for a while. They were working with Fred trying to produce them in greater numbers. They never got it right and gave them back to Fred. Had something to do with the exhaust side of the casting IIRC. Thats when he was trying to sell the whole deal. I built a 400 block based 514 that made 913 hp @ 7100 rpm with the 2.300-1.800 valves.Cant remember the tq off the top of my head, I think 735. As stated the valves are way long, Ti is a must at least on the intake. T&D makes the rockers and Milodon used to make the head studs.
Bob

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Re: Brewer Heads [Re: B1Fish540] #532635
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Fred made AMC heads years before he made the Mopar heads.

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do the brewers need a special pison like the B1's ..


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Re: Brewer Heads [Re: Bob_Coomer] #532637
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Quote:

Wow..I didnt know...
I passed on a set of these once cause I just didnt feel I knew enough about them etc..I assume only sheet metal intakes was used? Was there ever a cast intake produced?

Come on guys lets see these thing..post some pics..
I posted a thread about these a few years ago, when i happen to run across this set..This tread has more info than what I uncovered..LOL




there's a cast intake for low decks similar to a B1 and can be used for RB with spacers.

the chamber is only 62 cc so dish pistons may have to be used.

I dont have any pix of the heads per se..just conplete motors with FBS heads. Senator has a comparo pic in his book next to a B1..the Brewer is taller and has fatter/higher ports like a PSO.

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #532638
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this head would flow right with a pso,,, just depends on how big the ports are in each,, but with the same flow id bet the brewer would make more power because the intake port is raised higher,, better approach to the cylinder,, its better for the inertia effect on the cylinder while filling in the compression stroke..

brodix aluminum is known for not being good,, some guys wont use a brodix on power cars no matter what,,, mike moran has told me some horror stories,, ive seen many brodix heads that seemed fine new then turned to mush after running awhile.

you can also bolt on a 440-1 header to the brewer,, makes it easier to get the motor in cars,, and header availability is better for guys that do not have a custom header shop in their area




I used to do a lot of porting years ago and always thought Brodix stuff was a pita to port because of the poor quality of the castings, they made good power but I wondered about the foundry process. I tried to relate to plastic injection molding where you could always tell the percentage of reclaim pellets coming through the screw versus virgin pellets. The reclaim was so much harder to contend with.

Joey

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: moderncylinder] #532639
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I thought I just saw a set of these for sale in the race section ??? or maybe it was zeekers ?? ?

Re: Brewer Heads [Re: JohnRR] #532640
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I thought I just saw a set of these for sale in the race section ??? or maybe it was zeekers ?? ?




You probably saw both. You can find Brewers on Racing junk too once in a while.

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Nice Numbers..
I thought they would flow well at .900

They were ahead of their time when cast too bad it did not work out for Fred. Casting and Machining issues and not enough sales killed it.

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