Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: RylisPro]
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02/22/10 03:13 AM
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I guess this really hasn't been done/talked about enough, but if you are going to cut the floor up anyway for the Keisler unit... Tremec T-56 6 speeds out of GM f body cars can be had on E-bay for 600 bucks. Quicktime makes the bellhousing to bolt this trans to small or big block mopars.
Doesn't take much reading on ls1tech.com or other GM/Viper/Cobra sites to see the t-56 has been proven FAR past its given torque rating.
As far as 5 speeds, there is a lot more market for a $5k bolt-in trans than a $5k cut-it-up trans.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: 71Chip]
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02/23/10 06:38 AM
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I guess this really hasn't been done/talked about enough, but if you are going to cut the floor up anyway for the Keisler unit... Tremec T-56 6 speeds out of GM f body cars can be had on E-bay for 600 bucks. Quicktime makes the bellhousing to bolt this trans to small or big block mopars.
Doesn't take much reading on ls1tech.com or other GM/Viper/Cobra sites to see the t-56 has been proven FAR past its given torque rating.
As far as 5 speeds, there is a lot more market for a $5k bolt-in trans than a $5k cut-it-up trans.
Based on what i see now, and this is the number one hangup with my Challenger project right now (needing an OD stick), this is probably what route i'd take.
The McLeod unit is still up in the air by the sounds ov things. But the price is at least decent. And really, i could give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] where it was made as long as the quality is there. China doesn't necessarily mean junk, just like homebuilt doesn't necessarily mean quality.
Keisler sounds decent for what i need, but i'm not rich, and i still hear the Tremec has high-speed shifting issues. I wish they made a T56 kit... then again, that'd be even more coin now wouldn't it...???
Richmond or other custom stuff is more expensive than Keisler, and probably (even more ov) a nightmare if something breaks in the middle ov nowhere.
The Passon 5spd again, outta my budget, no matter how good it is. And personally, not a fan ov the 4spd OD idea, drove one (a stock truck unit in a 340 Demon), and just did NOT like the gear spread. I wouldn't even want that in a 440 car where the torque could mitigate the disadvantage.
The stock 1:1 4spd and 2.76 rear gears has an obvious disadvantage. This is my default route, hopefully i can find a better way by crunch time.
I really like the T-56 though. I'm sure someone out there has come up with a cheaper way to use it behind a Mopar big block by now. I really like the idea ov having a 4.56 or lower gear, and still running like a 2.76 on the highway. Even with a 5spd OD i'd still be stuck with a 3.91/4.10 ish rear gear to keep a really long final gear on the highway.
Anyone else done this 'junkyard' T-56 swap (since we're already derailing this thread a bit...)
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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02/24/10 11:38 AM
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The McLeod unit is still up in the air by the sounds ov things. But the price is at least decent. And really, i could give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] where it was made as long as the quality is there. China doesn't necessarily mean junk, just like homebuilt doesn't necessarily mean quality.
The Passon 5spd again, outta my budget, no matter how good it is. And personally, not a fan ov the 4spd OD idea, drove one (a stock truck unit in a 340 Demon), and just did NOT like the gear spread. I wouldn't even want that in a 440 car where the torque could mitigate the disadvantage.
See, this is where you are wrong. Our 4 spd OD gearset isn't even close to the gearset in the truck trans that you drove in the Demon. I don't feel that you are giving that option a fair shake.
As for the imported thing, that is entirely your call. The unit is actually made in Korea, not China. If it doesn't matter to you that it is imported, that is fine, it sounds like it should fit what you need and it will fit into your budget. What kind of horsepower did you have? Thanks, Jamie
We are looking at less then 5 grand for this unit.
*fixed your quote for you Jamie
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: mshred]
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02/24/10 04:56 PM
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t-56 feedback:
the LT1 trannies have an oddball midplate and clutch arrangement (IIRC it's a pull type vs. push type pressure plate) that may be difficult to adapt to mopars
and the F body trannies have a weak 27 spline output shaft. I have a friend with a '96 impala with a 396 CID LT1 stroker and T-56 who snapped the output shaft the first time he took it to the drag strip (with street tires). he upgraded it to a viper tailshaft (uses the same spline as a 727). eventually he picked up a chev SSR T-56 to eliminate the funky LT1 clutch, and for better overall gear ratio spread. IIRC, it uses a larger output shaft, similar to the viper's.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: mshred]
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02/24/10 09:08 PM
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for 5K you can buy a liberty or g-force five speed and never have to worry about breaking a trans again.
What is your choice in O.D. gear in one of those?
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: mshred]
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02/25/10 10:17 AM
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sorry man, but if im gonna pay 5k for a tranny id be alot more concerned with its strength then just for the fact that it has OD...mine as well just buy a gear vendors
I hear ya. I think that alot of people are looking for one trans to try and pull double duty as a race trans and be livable on the street/highway without maxing out the RPM.
But I agree that strength would be the main concern.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: theclutcher]
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02/25/10 08:17 PM
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Possible any currently made straight cut gears fit into existing 833 with little mods? how many red stripe sets you sitting on, any 9310 clusters etc?
id be interested in this as well
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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I don't have 100% confirmation on this but I think he may be doing conversions in his new expanded shop.As far as a conversion goes all you would need is everything in front of the tranny like the clutch ,flywheel,can,and pedals.Your crossmember and driveshaft would be the same and the tranny will come with the shifter as I understand. Gus
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: 73chally]
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you can buy most if not all stock factory repopped linkage and hump from brewers,,,but if you have big tube or custom headers ,you may consider going hyd clutch of some sort,,either a hyd bearing or slave cylinder,,i built my own system,works great
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
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ok,,1st of all..this site isnt pic friendly to older digital cameras,,if pics are bigger then 3 megapixels they dont post,,,i now have a camera with adjustable picture size,,but those ;ics are too big to post and there are a lot of them,,,ide gladly E MAIL you a few so you can get an idea of what i used,,,heres a little bit about what ive used and what i currently use,, for about 10 years, i used a tilton hyd bearing,hard mounted in to the scatter shield, it didnt have enough travel to work properly,,as i learned,and it was a nascar bearing built for the GM stuff,,but had parts that were suppost to make it fit a mopar application,,as time went on,1st gear got harder and harder to get in to at stop,,,then it wasnt engauging enough and wore out the 4th gear syncro,,at the time i installed this unit,,between tilton and center force, i didnt get correct specs form either of the 2 companies,,so when it failed i investagated it again,,learing what i believed to be the correct specs,,and not enough travel of the bearing,,i could of shimmed it but it may not of wanted to return or relax enough to not wear the pressure plate fingers,,and by this time i didnt want to have to pull a tranny in a early A body again to service it,,so i went with a slave cylinder,,puller type from speed way motors,,i think the travel on the slave cylinder is 1 1/8, and i used a wilwood master designed for a hyd clutch,,it had the longest stroke and a 3/4 bore,,the master has to be installed 2 inches below the pedal pivot point to have corect travel,,on my A body, that is where the speedo cable went thru,,so i moved the cable and made that hole big enoiugh for the master,,,also made a plate inside to support the thin sheet metal of the fire wall,,a heim joint on the end of the push rod,and a bracket i made and welded it to the clutch pedal,to space it out to reach left of the pedal to the push rod,,,the slave cyl is currently mounted in the factory hole of the fork,,but i am going to dril a hole 1 inch in,to creat more fork travel,,and less pedal travel,,but my pedal have a lot of play,i will address that before moving the slave attaching point,,,i can supply a ton of pics if you e mail me your e mail if your intrested,,,slave cyl 45 bucks,,master 49 bucks i believe,, fstfish66@aol.com
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