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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/23/09 05:48 PM
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Pendleton NY
terzmo
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These are some of the reasons that many of my six pack customers choose to either use thier old carbs or buy a set of used original carbs and have me go through them. Brand new doesn't always mean "perfect" when it comes to carbs being properly set up, that's why every carb I ship has been run and adjusted on a running engine first.
That's nice....but this reply is like telling someone they should of ducked AFTER getting sucker punched...it's of no value to Me but I guess it's free advertising for You....geeze
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: terzmo]
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10/23/09 06:03 PM
10/23/09 06:03 PM
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Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
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That's nice....but this reply is like telling someone they should of ducked AFTER getting sucker punched...it's of no value to Me but I guess it's free advertising for You....geeze
Well you could look at it that way, or you could have looked at it from my perspective which is;
I have said it all here before (the potential issues with new carbs), this is not the first time so you COULD have already been told, maybe you are fairly new to this site, but how am I to know that you have'nt read it before?
Secondly, by posting the same info again, maybe the next guy in your shoes might think twice, sure, it's advertising my service, but my service comes with a gaurantee that if you get something from me and experience any of the problems you are currently having I'll make it right ASAP, unlike the experience you are describing. BTW, since I'm "advertising" also know that the brand new Holley Six Packs look nothing like originals did in the smaller details like overall coloring, bowl script, or hardware, refurbished originals will always look more correct and hold a higher long term value if you care about such things.
"Value" to you? It seems like you need to take that up with the seller you bought them from, not me. I'm sorry you are having problems but there's not allot I (or anyone else on this site) can really do for you at this point, I concured with the other poster about a quality base gasket source, what else did you expect?
Here's a set of restored originals I did (picture below), this same set can be seen resting on the 440 Six Pack reference restoration engine put together by Frank Badelson on the cover of February 2010 issue of Mopar Action.
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: terzmo]
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10/23/09 06:22 PM
10/23/09 06:22 PM
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PORT ALBERNI , BC., CANADA
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OK....P4529060 is the kit I use....I order it thru Mopar here at the dealership. These gaskets are a tan colored thicker paper style gasket unlike the dark grey thin ones that I've seen in some kits. Those thin ones are basically junk...I've been that route with my carbs on my 6 pack.....used these and no problems to my knowledge. The kit is only 20.00 for all the gaskets (Air horn ones too), so if they're not to your liking, ya ain't out much anyways.
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: superwrench]
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10/23/09 07:50 PM
10/23/09 07:50 PM
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OK....P4529060 is the kit I use....I order it thru Mopar here at the dealership.
These gaskets are a tan colored thicker paper style gasket unlike the dark grey thin ones that I've seen in some kits.
Those thin ones are basically junk...I've been that route with my carbs on my 6 pack.....used these and no problems to my knowledge.
The kit is only 20.00 for all the gaskets (Air horn ones too), so if they're not to your liking, ya ain't out much anyways.
That's all I've used for 30yrs,and you can reuse them if necessary! As for the carbs,wouldn't put a set together without resurfacing the bases.If you have any doubts,put a straight edge on a 35yr old carb and see what you have,  .
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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10/23/09 08:29 PM
10/23/09 08:29 PM
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NJ-USA
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From a performance standpoint, the new carbs work great. They are calibrated well and the quality of the carbs is above average. I never have any trouble getting these to work great. Yes, there are subtle differences from the originals, but one can make a reasonable attempt to make the new carbs look more correct by changing the bowl screws, and a few other little tidbits.
There is no way to properly set up a six pack until you have them on the car and can run it down the road/track. Even a dyno can only tell you that there aren't any lean/rich conditions and that the secondaries will actually open. Beyond that, you have to get them on the car and dial them in-primarily the outboard synchronization. I get many 6 pack cars in here that have tons of hesitation and falloff before the secondaries come in. Items such as car weight, torque curve, gear ratio, even "revability" of the motor have an effect on the way the carbs will function in the real world.
Terzmo, sounds like you might have had an issue with a flat oring on the needle and seat. Simple fix. If you have any specific questions on your combo-feel free to drop me a PM.
MB
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/23/09 08:39 PM
10/23/09 08:39 PM
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Warrenton, VA
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That's nice....but this reply is like telling someone they should of ducked AFTER getting sucker punched...it's of no value to Me but I guess it's free advertising for You....geeze
Well you could look at it that way, or you could have looked at it from my perspective which is;
I have said it all here before (the potential issues with new carbs), this is not the first time so you COULD have already been told, maybe you are fairly new to this site, but how am I to know that you have'nt read it before?
Secondly, by posting the same info again, maybe the next guy in your shoes might think twice, sure, it's advertising my service, but my service comes with a gaurantee that if you get something from me and experience any of the problems you are currently having I'll make it right ASAP, unlike the experience you are describing. BTW, since I'm "advertising" also know that the brand new Holley Six Packs look nothing like originals did in the smaller details like overall coloring, bowl script, or hardware, refurbished originals will always look more correct and hold a higher long term value if you care about such things.
"Value" to you? It seems like you need to take that up with the seller you bought them from, not me. I'm sorry you are having problems but there's not allot I (or anyone else on this site) can really do for you at this point, I concured with the other poster about a quality base gasket source, what else did you expect?
Here's a set of restored originals I did (picture below), this same set can be seen resting on the 440 Six Pack reference restoration engine put together by Frank Badelson on the cover of February 2010 issue of Mopar Action.
Nice but you know you can't post a picture without some nitpicking! Sorry to say it but what's with the black bowl vent lever and rod? I have several original spares and they are not black.
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: HPMike]
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10/23/09 09:15 PM
10/23/09 09:15 PM
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Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
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I agree Mike, I don't pretend to "optimize" the builds I do to work on any specific car because just as you said, it's not possible to do without having them on the car they will eventually be run on. What I do is to set them up to 100% stock specs (unless instructed to do otherwise) and set float levels, the idle, AF mixtures, etc. and make sure there are no leaks, or other build issues. This gives the owner a good stock baseline to begin any fine tuning efforts in optimizing thier particular combo. As far as the new carbs are concerned I have worked on a few sets that would not run right out of the boxes, mainly because of build errors on the production line and most were easy to correct, however some were due to poor castings (metering bloacks, bowls, etc.) that were not repairable, they seem to have dropped off in thier attention to quality control at Holley. On the OEM details, there are a pretty fair number of smaller items that are quite different from originals, how important they are just depends on what level of correct detail the buyer prefers. In any event, it's all good, to each thier own, there's something for everyone regardless of what you prefer.
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: RoadRunnerJD]
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10/23/09 09:34 PM
10/23/09 09:34 PM
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Nice but you know you can't post a picture without some nitpicking! Sorry to say it but what's with the black bowl vent lever and rod? I have several original spares and they are not black.
John/Scott,been doing these things for 30 yrs,saw a lot with and with out a bowl vent arm but never saw a black one.Maybe just never had one 
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Re: 6 pak base gaskets..HOLLEY..& YEAR ONE
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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10/23/09 10:27 PM
10/23/09 10:27 PM
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NJ-USA
HPMike
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Nice car HP, is that yours?
Nope
I restored that car for Pete C.(badsixpack) in NY. I also built the X9 Bee Pete owns shown in the previous pic. Don't let the pretty paint fool you. It is capable of running mid/low 11's @ 123-124 MPH. With the original numbers drivetrain no less  . I have probably had more than 20 real A12's through my shop over the years and while I have had several opportunities to get one, I never went ahead and pulled the trigger.  
MB
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