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Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: dodgeboy11] #490516
10/10/09 09:16 AM
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In regards to the 8.75", what gives up and makes them go boom? I've always had the understanding that the case flexes and the gears spread apart and this is what's making them let go. So if that's indeed true, does the new aluminum center section stiffen things up enough that if you used a braced housing, would it survive? I'm just curious and hoping maybe some of you guys can give some answers.





I would suggest a back brace on any 8 3/4 thats
going to be raced... the axles/tires are trying to
walk ahead of the housing thus bending the axle tubes,
also the cast caps are a weak point so replacing at
least the load side cap would help alot... I went
with the alum center which at the time was fairly
cheap but is stronger and it has some beefy alum
caps with thru bolts on 3 of them. Also if you wanted
to add load bolts to the back of the housing to
rest on the caps they help alot.... but if the car
is going to be heavy go to a different rear. I have
changed gears 3 different times just to get the right
ratio for my set up... since then its been the same
and I race both 1/8 and 1/4(bracket racing) so the
slight difference in ET doesnt matter

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: Cab_Burge] #490517
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Every component in racing has a failure point as far as stress and HP. The 8 3/4 with a back brace welded on before doing any straightening is a good start, a steel cap on the left(drivers )side is needed and setting the gears up correctly(move the pinion back .008 to .012 from the optimum distance helps also, 35 spline spool and axles are needed also These fixes won't make a 8 3/4 bullet proof in a 3600 lb car with really good traction and 700+ HP If you want to swap the ring and pinion gear out around 100 hundred runs it will live that long as proven in many bracket and NHRA class cars. Those that use that maintenace routine normally sell the used ring and piniuons to help pay for the new ones If you want a bullet proof rear end then use the Dana 60




is he stuck in the 1960s or what

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: Quicktree] #490518
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Every component in racing has a failure point as far as stress and HP. The 8 3/4 with a back brace welded on before doing any straightening is a good start, a steel cap on the left(drivers )side is needed and setting the gears up correctly(move the pinion back .008 to .012 from the optimum distance helps also, 35 spline spool and axles are needed also These fixes won't make a 8 3/4 bullet proof in a 3600 lb car with really good traction and 700+ HP If you want to swap the ring and pinion gear out around 100 hundred runs it will live that long as proven in many bracket and NHRA class cars. Those that use that maintenace routine normally sell the used ring and piniuons to help pay for the new ones If you want a bullet proof rear end then use the Dana 60




is he stuck in the 1960s or what





LMFAO

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: blown572dart] #490519
10/11/09 07:31 PM
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How much more power does a 9" take to turn than a Dana 60? Real numbers, not some wag.

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: justinp61] #490520
10/12/09 12:01 AM
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do not quote me on this, but in a test that car craft did with all factors being the same besides the rearends themselves, i think the ford ate up 10-20 horsepower more...i have the issue somewhere but im not gonna bother diggin it up...you should be able to find it on there website

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: mshred] #490521
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Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: justinp61] #490522
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That is an interesting article. It reinforces my past comments and observations.

35 spline S-60 rearend assemby 191 lbs.

31 spline 9" rearend assembly 174 lbs.

If you compare apples to apples by adding 35 spline axles, and a backbrace to the 9" housing and fill both rearends with gear lube you will find virtually NO weight difference between the 2. When you add a Fab housing, the 9" assembly weighs MORE.

Ford engineers increased the oil capacity to 1 GALLON in the early '70s to combat premature wear due to the heat and friction generated from the inefficient 9" gear design. In contrast, the larger 9.75" Dana 60 rear takes about 2.75 quarts.

The heat/friction issue is well known among circle track guys because it becomes an increasing problem the longer those rearends are run. When I used to build circle track rears, I had to set the backlash wide and the bearing preload loose to keep them from burning up in competition.

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: DoctorDiff] #490523
10/12/09 12:57 PM
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I've got some Mark Williams caps , a Strange spool, Yukon Axles, and a billit yoke for my 8-3/4 but haven't put them all in yet . I was gonna build a nice backbraced housing first and a good center with my parts and bolt it all in. I was however considering a Moser 875 housing but that would be around 1200 alone up here I'm sure. Anyone used one of those housings yet??

Don.

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: justinp61] #490524
10/12/09 03:26 PM
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Link to article.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0806_chevy_chevelle_rear_axle_swap/index.html



that was some very interesting reading.i guess the dana is not the pig everybody thinks they are......

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Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: Old School] #490525
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Well, I thought I would stir the pot again. We had our best 60' (1.25) and best ET (9.10) in West Texas this weekend at Penwell Knights Raceway in over 4,000' of air. Unfortunately, we lost in the 5th round and took third.

We haven't done too bad sitting out two years. We had a broken transmission the first race, runnered up the second (7 rounds) and 3rd this race...

Talked to Moparts member DavidDean there. I haven't talked to him in a while. That ThrillRide looks exactly like that...

Monty

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: MoparDonny] #490526
10/18/09 11:17 PM
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I've got some Mark Williams caps , a Strange spool, Yukon Axles, and a billit yoke for my 8-3/4 but haven't put them all in yet . I was gonna build a nice backbraced housing first and a good center with my parts and bolt it all in. I was however considering a Moser 875 housing but that would be around 1200 alone up here I'm sure. Anyone used one of those housings yet??

Don.


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Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: DoctorDiff] #490527
10/19/09 12:14 AM
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Of course. 9" rears and small block Chevy engines go hand in hand.




Thats what I'm talking about! Don't forget those chebby hood scoops too!

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: racerx] #490528
10/19/09 12:47 AM
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Installed




Man that's Purdy!!

Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: MoparDonny] #490529
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If I was doing my rear end all over again, I would be running a Strange 9" housing with a Strange 12 Bolt centre.
AL....


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Re: 8.75 or 9" Rear? [Re: LA360] #490530
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