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2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger #489036 10/05/09 02:57 PM 10/05/09 02:57 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona J Jeffaary OP member
Jeffaary OP member J Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona	Just read on NHRA.com that Allen Johnson will be driving an Avenger next year, not a Challenger. I have mixed feelings: 1) I'm disappointed because the Challenger is a MUCH better looking car, but....... 2) The Avenger will probably be more competitive because it is closer in size to the Cobalts and GXP's it will be racing, and the Challenger's grille isn't nearly as aerodynamic as those cars. 3) Nice to know Mopar is still behind the drag effort, but it looks like AJ may be the only Mopar out there next year.

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Jeffaary] #489037 10/05/09 03:08 PM 10/05/09 03:08 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Im pretty sure there will be more than just AJ next year running a mopar. They have too much of a good thing going to just run 1 mopar on the field. Just my opinion... Probably only 1 or 2 mopar "sponsored" cars, but there will be more than 1 mopar in the field. Kasey

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Moparnut426] #489038 10/05/09 03:37 PM 10/05/09 03:37 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona J Jeffaary OP member
Jeffaary OP member J Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona	Most of the current Mopar drivers have already announced brand changes for next year; Larry Morgan, Rickie Jones, and Johnny Gray. The other Mopar drivers, most notably Vieri Gaines, were almost nonexistent this year. Taking into account the fact that there will probably be only one Mopar-backed Nascar team (Penske)next year, I'm guessing AJ and maybe one associate car (Vinnie DeCeglie) will be the only Mopars next year. Not a lot for us to root for next year....

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Jeffaary] #489039 10/05/09 03:48 PM 10/05/09 03:48 PM
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70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	V. Gaines decided to go in house with his own engine program and stopped renting from Larry Morgan.. his performance has fallen off while doing his own development.. Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: 70AARcuda] #489040 10/05/09 04:54 PM 10/05/09 04:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	I love them too, but fact is they have the aero dynamics of a school bus. This has been proven even in factory trim. The 300C has about 10 mph on top end speed. But on a side note, looks like the Mustang gets the nod in the Ford camps..They have about the same aero and drag in the front as the challenger. IMO I still wished they would go with the Challenger. [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Moparnut426] #489041 10/05/09 04:57 PM 10/05/09 04:57 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Im pretty sure there will be more than just AJ next year running a mopar. They have too much of a good thing going to just run 1 mopar on the field Quote: HUH..

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger #489042 10/05/09 05:18 PM 10/05/09 05:18 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	They still are pretty competitive even though there is only 3 or 4 of them in the field. AJ has 2 wins this year and is up there in points. What about them is so terrible that they should only have 1 car running? Kasey

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Bob_Coomer] #489043 10/05/09 06:01 PM 10/05/09 06:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona J Jeffaary OP member
Jeffaary OP member J Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona	Quote: But on a side note, looks like the Mustang gets the nod in the Ford camps..They have about the same aero and drag in the front as the challenger. IMO The front end on the pro-stock Mustangs has been seriously reworked. It looks more like a pro-mod or funnycar nose. Could be done on the Challenger, but it would look fake. BTW, the Mustangs still aren't competitive. Last edited by Jeffaary; 10/05/09 06:03 PM.

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Jeffaary] #489044 10/05/09 06:22 PM 10/05/09 06:22 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,925 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,925 S.E. South Dakota !	5526914-prododge2-avenger-rt-2009.jpg (375 downloads) The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: bigdad] #489045 10/05/09 07:48 PM 10/05/09 07:48 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona J Jeffaary OP member
Jeffaary OP member J Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 85 Arizona	If this is the legit artwork for next year, shouldn't there be a nitrous explosion coming from the hoodscoop?

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Jeffaary] #489046 10/05/09 07:50 PM 10/05/09 07:50 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,031 South Jersey kruger Yours Too!
kruger Yours Too! Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,031 South Jersey	Quote: If this is the legit artwork for next year, shouldn't there be a nitrous explosion coming from the hoodscoop? Rutt Rhooo

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Jeffaary] #489047 10/05/09 07:56 PM 10/05/09 07:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,925 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,925 S.E. South Dakota !	Quote: If this is the legit artwork for next year, shouldn't there be a nitrous explosion coming from the hoodscoop? No, then the car would be yellow a GM and say Jegs on the door like they have on video this weekend The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: bigdad] #489048 10/05/09 08:24 PM 10/05/09 08:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,325 Orlando Fl Dos Snails pro stock
Dos Snails pro stock Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,325 Orlando Fl	You got served!

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: bigdad] #489049 10/05/09 08:26 PM 10/05/09 08:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,876 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,876 Weddington, N.C.	Since the Challenger the mustang and the Camaro are all about equally Aerodynamically challenged, why not limit Pro stock to running them exclusively and give them another 20 or so cubes as Aero-compensation???? At least it would be more interesting than watching the "scubbing bubble" looking clone cars they've been running foer the past 10 years!! Guess that might make too much sense, huh?? WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Streetwize] #489050 10/05/09 08:36 PM 10/05/09 08:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA Leon441 master
Leon441 master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,330 Lynchburg, VA	Quote: Since the Challenger the mustang and the Camaro are all about equally Aerodynamically challenged, why not limit Pro stock to running them exclusively and give them another 20 or so cubes as Aero-compensation???? At least it would be more interesting than watching the "scubbing bubble" looking clone cars they've been running foer the past 10 years!! Guess that might make too much sense, huh?? I can defineately see your point. The real screwy part of this is these Pro-stock cars don't even resemble their stock counterparts. So why not let all makes run a reduced size Challenger, Mustang, and Camaro. Might as well the Mustang like said earlier has a completely reworked nose. Leon Career best 8.02 @ 169 at 3050# and 10" tires small block power.

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: kruger] #489051 10/06/09 03:30 AM 10/06/09 03:30 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: If this is the legit artwork for next year, shouldn't there be a nitrous explosion coming from the hoodscoop? Rutt Rhooo [/quote/] Like the traction control in the Summit cars You've beat this one to death 340srule...give it a rest. Last edited by Eric; 10/06/09 08:59 AM.

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger #489052 10/07/09 08:54 PM 10/07/09 08:54 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	heres the new avenger , i believe a moparts member just got a sponsor to race it, heres a sneak preview. 5531380-ProStockAvenger.jpg (406 downloads) Last edited by SUPERSTOCKRACER; 10/07/09 09:01 PM.

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger #489053 10/08/09 12:27 AM 10/08/09 12:27 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky justinp61 I Live Here
justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: Leon441] #489054 10/08/09 02:35 AM 10/08/09 02:35 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania b1dartsport super stock
b1dartsport super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 982 western pennsylvania	Quote: Quote: Since the Challenger the mustang and the Camaro are all about equally Aerodynamically challenged, why not limit Pro stock to running them exclusively and give them another 20 or so cubes as Aero-compensation???? At least it would be more interesting than watching the "scubbing bubble" looking clone cars they've been running foer the past 10 years!! Guess that might make too much sense, huh?? I can defineately see your point. The real screwy part of this is these Pro-stock cars don't even resemble their stock counterparts. So why not let all makes run a reduced size Challenger, Mustang, and Camaro. Might as well the Mustang like said earlier has a completely reworked nose. Leon What these cars have become has nothing to do with the original idea of Pro-Stock. They are nothing but funny cars with more gears & no nito or blower and an Engine that nobody has ever seen any production car. What should be done is the challenger,Mustang and camaro should run with a stock body,a chassis to handle the et, the block that came in the car and let them have at it. To me that would be Pro-Stock. Just my

Re: 2010 Allen Johnson Avenger - Not Challenger [Re: b1dartsport] #489055 10/08/09 06:16 AM 10/08/09 06:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,183 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,183 Park Forest, IL	Quote: Leon What these cars have become has nothing to do with the original idea of Pro-Stock. They are nothing but funny cars with more gears & no nito or blower and an Engine that nobody has ever seen any production car. What should be done is the challenger,Mustang and camaro should run with a stock body,a chassis to handle the et, the block that came in the car and let them have at it. To me that would be Pro-Stock. Just my They already have that class. It's called Super Stock. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

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