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Here's a good one for you motor guys! #467117 09/13/09 06:28 PM 09/13/09 06:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	OK 440 rebuilt a few years ago just installed, motor wont start I went threw everything! Hours have been spent on this and I found one thing that dosn't seem correct? I noticed two of the four cylinders on each side of the motor dont have the correct sequence for the opening of the intake and exhaust valves? Almost as if the incorrect cam is installed? As you know the valves quickly open Exhaust then intake then you have your pause and then again a quik bump of the exhaust then intake. Well on cylinder 1 and 3 (and the passenger side I cant remember what two cylinders)its in the order of intake then exhaust. If your confused ask me some question and I will try to answer. Thanks!

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467118 09/13/09 07:21 PM 09/13/09 07:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,892 Oregon hooziewhatsit master
hooziewhatsit master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,892 Oregon	At least on a small block, the ports go IEEIIEEI, so if you're watching the rockers they won't match each other front to back. Two of the cylinders will be opposite the other two. Is it just cranking and never firing? If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hooziewhatsit] #467119 09/13/09 07:56 PM 09/13/09 07:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Thanks yes I know they go (1)EI (3)IE (5)EI (7)IE 3 and 7 are ok a quick push on the exhaust then intake then the crank goes around about a turn before they hit again. 1 and 5 I get a quick hit on intake then exhaust

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467120 09/13/09 08:41 PM 09/13/09 08:41 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Did you somehow wind up with a Hemi camshaft???

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hooziewhatsit] #467121 09/13/09 08:55 PM 09/13/09 08:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: At least on a small block, the ports go IEEIIEEI, so if you're watching the rockers they won't match each other front to back. Two of the cylinders will be opposite the other two. Is it just cranking and never firing? big and small block: E-II-EE-II-E For the original poster's above comparison you have to figure in the firing order for the valve opening and closing sequence.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: MoparforLife] #467122 09/13/09 09:24 PM 09/13/09 09:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Quote: Quote: At least on a small block, the ports go IEEIIEEI, so if you're watching the rockers they won't match each other front to back. Two of the cylinders will be opposite the other two. Is it just cranking and never firing? big and small block: E-II-EE-II-E For the original poster's above comparison you have to figure in the firing order for the valve opening and closing sequence. Im very confused, my thought is it doesnt matter what firing order or sequence of cylinders...Im thinking about any one cylinder going threw its four strokes and the valves opening and closing at the proper time for that one cylinder

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #467123 09/13/09 09:25 PM 09/13/09 09:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Quote: Did you somehow wind up with a Hemi camshaft??? Isnt the Hemi Cam the same sequence as the 383 and 440?

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467124 09/13/09 09:37 PM 09/13/09 09:37 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Just what is the problem??? Is it that it won't run? It won't start or fire or what? The intake valve and exhaust valve should each open 1 time for every 2 revelutions of the crankshaft. It is real tough (at least for me) to understand what you are getting at. With out being there to look at it I would say that you are misinterpeting the engine sequence but I am not there to see it myself. Prime it, put the valve covers on, time it and start it.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467125 09/13/09 09:39 PM 09/13/09 09:39 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Quote: Did you somehow wind up with a Hemi camshaft??? Isnt the Hemi Cam the same sequence as the 383 and 440? The ports are evenly spaced, so if they are the rockers are where things get funny.... It's been 25+ years since I owned a hemi & I could well be wrong but I know the ports are evenly spaced... I'm sittin here thinkin about how Hemi rockers are laid out & I doubt the lobes are sequenced the same from a Hemi to a wedge... Last edited by 1_WILD_RT; 09/13/09 09:42 PM.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: MoparforLife] #467126 09/13/09 09:40 PM 09/13/09 09:40 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Deleted prior to arrival of politically biased moderators Last edited by 440sixpack; 09/15/09 12:14 AM.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #467127 09/13/09 09:43 PM 09/13/09 09:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Quote: Quote: Quote: Did you somehow wind up with a Hemi camshaft??? Isnt the Hemi Cam the same sequence as the 383 and 440? The ports are evenly spaced, so if they are the rockers are where things get funny.... It's been 25+ years since I owned a hemi & I could well be wrong but I know the ports are evenly spaced... When you say evenly spaced are you saying EI EI EI EI for valve location? I'm sittin here thinkin about how Hemi rockers are laid out & I doubt the lobes are sequenced the same from a Hemi to a wedge...

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467128 09/13/09 09:48 PM 09/13/09 09:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,932 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,932 Grand Prairie,Texas	What compression are you getting in all cylinders? Are you sure you haven't got the distributer installed 180* out. Happens a lot.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467129 09/13/09 09:49 PM 09/13/09 09:49 PM
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PC-CHARGER super stock Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 916 MB,CAN	The valve layout on a Hemi is definitely different than a wedge. If I remember correctly they are laid out EIEIIEIE. If so, then it would seem likely you have a Hemi cam in there.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: PC-CHARGER] #467130 09/13/09 09:52 PM 09/13/09 09:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	The motor is acting like the came is set up for EI EI EI EI Holy Cow!!!!! DO I have a Hemi Cam in my 440 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467131 09/13/09 09:53 PM 09/13/09 09:53 PM
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hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Im going to cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: stumpy] #467132 09/13/09 09:56 PM 09/13/09 09:56 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Looks like EI EI EI EI to me..

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #467133 09/13/09 09:59 PM 09/13/09 09:59 PM
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hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	It sure does!

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467134 09/13/09 10:00 PM 09/13/09 10:00 PM
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hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	The Hemi cam does fit into a 440 correct?

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467135 09/13/09 10:01 PM 09/13/09 10:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: It sure does! Hey throw down with one of those beers! We drink together... Sorry buddy.. Yeah the hemi cam will fit, it started life with the same block... Last edited by 1_WILD_RT; 09/13/09 10:03 PM.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #467136 09/13/09 10:05 PM 09/13/09 10:05 PM
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hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Thankyou for your help!

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467137 09/13/09 10:09 PM 09/13/09 10:09 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Your welcome, I wish I had better news..

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: stumpy] #467138 09/13/09 10:18 PM 09/13/09 10:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Thanks Stumpy and 440 pack for your input also, I did go threw all that Distr. and electrical stuff as I said I spent hours on this on three seperate nights. There was smoke from my brain on this one you never think your going to have half the cylinders correct and the other half incorrect.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467139 09/13/09 11:50 PM 09/13/09 11:50 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: The motor is acting like the came is set up for EI EI EI EI Holy Cow!!!!! DO I have a Hemi Cam in my 440 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! you better reverse that for a hemi cam. the first cam lobe on a hemi is the intake, on a wedge it would be exhaust.

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467140 09/14/09 02:02 AM 09/14/09 02:02 AM
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GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,162 CT	Quote: The Hemi cam does fit into a 440 correct? Yes Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: hemiclone] #467141 09/14/09 07:54 AM 09/14/09 07:54 AM
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3ddart pro stock 3 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,466 malvern, ohio	seems like now you just need to replace everything to match up to that cam lol. dave

Re: Here's a good one for you motor guys! [Re: 3ddart] #467142 09/14/09 08:18 AM 09/14/09 08:18 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL hemiclone OP mopar addict
hemiclone OP mopar addict Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 484 IL	Yea, I always wanted a Hemi!

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