Re: Idle drops when clutch is depressed?
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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08/29/09 09:28 PM
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Could the tune of the carbs/timing be so off (at idle) that just a little added friction drop the idle noticeably????
This is pushing the clutch pedal in, thus releasing the the clutch from any friction from driving the transmission. There should actually be less friction with the pedal depressed by relieving any load on the engine
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Re: Idle drops when clutch is depressed?
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08/29/09 09:50 PM
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Could the tune of the carbs/timing be so off (at idle) that just a little added friction drop the idle noticeably????
This is pushing the clutch pedal in, thus releasing the the clutch from any friction from driving the transmission. There should actually be less friction with the pedal depressed by relieving any load on the engine
Except that with the clutch pushed in, it loads the number 3 crank bearing face against the block. Thats what changes, friction wise, with the clutch pedal pushed in. Yes the tranny is relieved of rotational mass and its friction, but since the problem occurs 'when the clutch is pushed in' thats not an issue.
...and of course the throwout bearing is engaged.....(??????) I just don't see enough frictional load to make that difference unless the engine is in a very poor state of tune at idle. But what else affects the engine, at idle, when clutch is depressed?
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Re: Idle drops when clutch is depressed?
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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08/29/09 11:00 PM
08/29/09 11:00 PM
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Myself, I'd be VERY worried about thrust bearing/ crank/ oiling problems.
Does it seem to idle nice, smooth, steady? What happens when you adjust the idle screws?
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Re: Idle drops when clutch is depressed?
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08/29/09 11:07 PM
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When did this start? Has the car been doing fine and just start acting up? Have you done some transmission/clutch work and at the point of checking your work? What have you done to it recently?
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Re: Idle drops when clutch is depressed?
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08/30/09 10:23 AM
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I don't know if I'd say idle smooth and steady with the 305/524 hyd cam in it, but it idles at a steady 900 rpms in neutral with 5-6" of vacuum. If I adjust the front or rear carb's idle screws, the idle responds...I have to make major changes to the center carb screws in order to get a response. I'm wondering if I need to drill a couple of small holes in the butterflys to get a little more air into the center carb so the screws will work better??? My thinking is that the engine gets the air it needs from the outboards at idle, causing the center carb's idle screws to have little effect?? This is my first ever sixpack setup, but I'm no stranger to Holley carbs...that said...I feel as if I'm a little overwhelmed with dialing in this setup.
The motor is comprised of a 72 340, .030 with JE pistons, Eagle rods, 308 heads, factory Eddy alm. intake and factory 440 sixpack carbs that I rebuilt and am using the Quick Fuel billet metering block with 64s and a 2.5 pv, due to the 5" of vacuum at idle. The outboards have the billet metering plate conversions, also by QF and I have the ProMax rear billet base plate on the rear carb. I'm loosing quite a bit of what precious little hair I have left worring over this setup. I refuse to give up though. I recently discovered that my MSD 6al-2 is WAY off on the rev limiter...700rpms off! I'm wondering if this can have any contribution to the slight misfire with the engine at cruise.
Everything is new on the build, except the tranny was not rebuilt. All the ignition stuff and everything is brand new and the grounds are good.
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