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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446622
08/23/09 11:44 AM 08/23/09 11:44 AM
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it was put together whit his proving combo.



Did you assemble the motor or did the engine builder assemble it?
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: NITROUSN] #446623
08/23/09 11:47 AM 08/23/09 11:47 AM
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it was put together whit his proving combo.



Did you assemble the motor or did the engine builder assemble it?

he did.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #446624
08/23/09 11:48 AM 08/23/09 11:48 AM
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why should he have to test it??? he paid 15 g's for a motor that does not perform. If I went from my current 600 ponies to 800 ponies even in the same set up it better do better than run the same number. besides, he all ready put it to the best test there is. He has time slips and they suck. Gonna take more than fiddlefarting around with cam timing to find what he's missing. I hate it when I see what people spend good money for and the results they get. I am done.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446625
08/23/09 11:52 AM 08/23/09 11:52 AM
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no dyno sheet on this motor. it was put together whit his proving combo. header are 2in hooker fender well .msd 7 al2. fuel punp is aeromovive 1000.i shift @6800b traps about 7000 .compression is 13;1 69cc head. old motor was a 30 over 440 stage 6 heads 76cc .cam was isky 660 [Email]282@50.[/Email] 1050 dom . the same 2in headers.



Iam guessing its a glide but a shift @ 6800 and another 1/8 mile and it only makes 200 RPM's more? That dont seem right.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: weedlayer] #446626
08/23/09 11:53 AM 08/23/09 11:53 AM
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why should he have to test it??? he paid 15 g's for a motor that does not perform. If I went from my current 600 ponies to 800 ponies even in the same set up it better do better than run the same number. besides, he all ready put it to the best test there is. He has time slips and they suck. Gonna take more than fiddlefarting around with cam timing to find what he's missing. I hate it when I see what people spend good money for and the results they get. I am done.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: weedlayer] #446627
08/23/09 11:55 AM 08/23/09 11:55 AM
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why should he have to test it??? he paid 15 g's for a motor that does not perform. If I went from my current 600 ponies to 800 ponies even in the same set up it better do better than run the same number. besides, he all ready put it to the best test there is. He has time slips and they suck. Gonna take more than fiddlefarting around with cam timing to find what he's missing. I hate it when I see what people spend good money for and the results they get. I am done.







He is right, time to take it back. I hate to break it to some of you, but a few jets off here, a little timing of there isnt going to cost him what seems to be 150-200hp he is a missing.

The car should be running mid to low 9's. or faster.

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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: cudabunch] #446628
08/23/09 11:56 AM 08/23/09 11:56 AM
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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: weedlayer] #446629
08/23/09 11:58 AM 08/23/09 11:58 AM

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I'm REALLY curious who this "supposed" guru is that doesn't even provide a dyno sheet, for a $15,000 engine? That's just ludicrous! RandyB
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: weedlayer] #446630
08/23/09 12:00 PM 08/23/09 12:00 PM
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A well known Mopar engine builder that charge you 15 grand and never fired the motor on the dyno? Even to make sure that everything was put together right and within specs?Thats living off your reputation.Not every motor will run the same numbers.Your right to take the motor back to him and have him figure out the lack of about 200 horse is. Good Luck

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Re: CUT THE BULL ! #446631
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I'm REALLY curious who this "supposed" guru is that doesn't even provide a dyno sheet, for a $15,000 engine? That's just ludicrous! RandyB


no kidding, I wouldn't even make a post like this until I was ready to put that info out and exhausted all efforts with the builder to solve the problem.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! #446632
08/23/09 12:02 PM 08/23/09 12:02 PM
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you all have heard of him and its not INDY .
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446633
08/23/09 12:04 PM 08/23/09 12:04 PM
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you all have heard of him and its not INDY .



well are you going to play games or tell us? have you even talked with him about this and asked him to fix the problem? if it turns out to be something other than the motor what then?
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: Quicktree] #446634
08/23/09 12:10 PM 08/23/09 12:10 PM
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you all have heard of him and its not INDY .



well are you going to play games or tell us? have you even talked with him about this and asked him to fix the problem? if it turns out to be something other than the motor what then?



Exactly! Hard for me to believe someone pays $15k for a engine with no dyno info? If that's the case, you're to blame as much as the engine builder. No way in hell I'm taking delivery of that engine without it being pulled and tested with dyno sheets. As Quicktree asked, have you even spoke to the engine builder? What did he say? Something just doesn't sound right here.

Re: CUT THE BULL ! #446635
08/23/09 12:12 PM 08/23/09 12:12 PM
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500" 440-1 combos are popular,prooven. I've built several 760 to 820hp for much less than $15000. That said I'd leak it before U pull it. If it leaks OK then plan revenge. Car should run mid 9's all day.

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Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: Barnstorm] #446636
08/23/09 12:36 PM 08/23/09 12:36 PM
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NOT GOING TO BEATUP ANYONE YET.just looking for ideals or help on what could be worng on my end .and yes i have talked to him bout it. he is not much help.its getting to the point you cant trust anybody.i guest I'm going to take it out. take it a part get some books and try and do it my self.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446637
08/23/09 12:43 PM 08/23/09 12:43 PM
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I think Mr P has a good point on advanving another 4* on the valve timing

Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446638
08/23/09 12:47 PM 08/23/09 12:47 PM
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133 MPH should go well into the 9's.
But, you're still down. Does the motor not leave/recover well?

BTW, I agree with you in knowing for sure what the problem is before trashing a shop.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: moeflo] #446639
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...make sure your V/P clearance is OK before you move that cam around too much!!
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: emarine01] #446640
08/23/09 12:49 PM 08/23/09 12:49 PM
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Was this a mail order engine or can you drive it back there? Taking it a part yourself at this point is not a good idea and you will probably lose any legal recourse. Did this standard recipe crate motor have a list of parts used? Take it to a local shop and have it dynoed then if it is still down on power pay them to disassemble and document the internals.
Re: CUT THE BULL ! [Re: EJ440] #446641
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NOT GOING TO BEATUP ANYONE YET.just looking for ideals or help on what could be worng on my end .and yes i have talked to him bout it. he is not much help.its getting to the point you cant trust anybody.i guest I'm going to take it out. take it a part get some books and try and do it my self.



Big mistake, once you open it up your done. all the books in the world wont help at this point.
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