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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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05/29/09 03:02 PM
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 ....Showcars ? .. how does that place stay in biz ? .... and how many times does a person who needs a nose .. buy that SC part ...and then ask-you how to fix it? SIX people in that mix ? .. that is waaaay to many people making a part that has a very small market.  I withdraw my intent on making that part !!  do you have a pic of the nose mold ?
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: chrisf]
#331992
05/29/09 03:35 PM
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1500 clams for a nose ? ... guess what part I will consider making directly when my production gets on-line !
On that site ....why are there no published prices ?
Doc, do you actually make parts? in the 10yrs i have been on here i have never seen anything you have done, just "i can make that" do you have a company or?
In 1974 he did something but even Doc does not know what it was
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: dOc !]
#331993
05/29/09 03:39 PM
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As someone that actually makes parts for Daytonas and Superbirds, Mike-Dayclona, has a pretty exact knowledge of how the very limited reproduction market for wing car parts actually works. I think he's given a pretty concise..., for him, discription of the different suppliers out there.
What is available has quite a range in quality and price. One of the biggest problems is interchangability of parts. For the clone builders, buying parts from several suppliers tends to create a 3 dimensional chess game of fitting things together. Trying to mix and match parts from 2 or 3 suppliers to save a couple of $ is at best a fools errand.
For folks with original cones, fitting reproduction parts into them is a similar 3d chess game. On unrestored cars the headlight buckets are often rusted. Combine 40 years of bumped, crushed, damaged cones with the starting out fact that there a lot of variances in the original delivered cones and this is recipie for a lot of hours at a workbench.
Probably the hardest part to make would be a steel Superbird cone shell. I can't see why anyone would attempt it with Jack Mc. making them already. The part is all compound curves. Even more than the other parts reproducing it well takes years of knowledge. A number of years ago I saw a stack of Superbird cone top pieces Jack had. To be able to produce them is pretty impressive. This is not something someone is going to be able to figure out how to do well in a month of study of a single part. If you could master the top then figure out steel sides, as of a couple of years ago Jack was still trying to do that.
Everyone wishes the parts were cheaper. What Mike and Jack tend to offer are parts thought out through years of trial and error fitting.
Last edited by Redbird; 05/29/09 03:41 PM.
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: SunroofSuperbird]
#331996
05/29/09 09:38 PM
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A Hot seller would be a complete headlight setup ready to bolt in. No One makes one and thats why you dont see many clones on ebay or for sale with working headlights. I would love to have a set. I have the Fiberglass repos and they are junk. and making the nose is the easy part as I made mine with almost no tools in my backyard and it is as close to orig as you could get.
Marty,......My first priority in reproing wingcar parts was accurate fit and finish, trying to maintain the same materials and construction in parts, and trying to avoid "tweaking" them, as other vendors had to make the parts work their way......I made concessions in the nose cone material selection, choosing fiberglass over steel, as a steel cone, while desirable, is not affordable for most, due inpart to the tooling and time required to build one,..........another priority was working headlites, as original, my lite assys are offered complete, or partial in original form, and mateials, and can be combined with original or NOS componets if need be,....plus updated componets to retrofit originals to cure them of factory malidies,......my headlite assys are still the only true functioning assys avaliable as an original,......sure others have made the glass units work, but usually with a lot of voodoo.....
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: Redbird]
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05/29/09 09:41 PM
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: SunroofSuperbird]
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05/29/09 09:43 PM
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A Hot seller would be a complete headlight setup ready to bolt in. No One makes one and thats why you dont see many clones on ebay or for sale with working headlights.
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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05/29/09 09:49 PM
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: Clair]
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05/29/09 10:59 PM
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1500 clams for a nose ? ... guess what part I will consider making directly when my production gets on-line !
On that site ....why are there no published prices ?
Doc, do you actually make parts? in the 10yrs i have been on here i have never seen anything you have done, just "i can make that" do you have a company or?
In 1974 he did something but even Doc does not know what it was
Chris and Clair ... I just caught this.
Chris ....OPEN yurrr eyes ! .. there have been many people post pics of my product and talked about it - when I was here first - even during my "vacation" - and now. And yes I had a shop up until '99. It is a complex story ... but that shop and all the molds are gone.
The reason for a re-start of the biz? ... everywhere I go(even though most of my customers I never met) I am asked why I stopped building parts and then am asked to get-back into it.
The real major kick-in-the-pants was that Car Craft magazine mention in '06 ... that has prompted me to get-back-into-it.
Clair .... 1974 ? .... what was that ?? ... I only had maybe 25 molds then. So it could not have been much.
In 1999 ...I had maybe 400 molds. And some of those were "officially" Chrysler and Fords.
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Re: Does anybody repro the daytona nose cones?
[Re: Redbird]
#332001
05/29/09 11:05 PM
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As someone that actually makes parts for Daytonas and Superbirds, Mike-Dayclona, has a pretty exact knowledge of how the very limited reproduction market for wing car parts actually works. I think he's given a pretty concise..., for him, discription of the different suppliers out there.
Yes ...and Mike was very nice about this whole deal here with me. But IMO .. the small market for winged-cars is tooooo crowded as-it-is.
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