Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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Lightweight lithium ion battery...
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1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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100%! But you need a high quality brand, and I never charge it unattended.
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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I did on one of my cars. That was the least expensive weight reduction on the car I did. (cost per pound)
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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Stop ordering the double cheeseburger for lunch and you will drop 35 pounds while also saving yourself $500
Then you take the $500 you saved from the cheeseburgers and buy the Li battery. Now you've dropped 70 lbs without spending anything
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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I had a friend pull this out of a very high dollar Super Stocker while warming up at the track. He has gone back to lead acid. What brand?
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car? No. It's going towards a dual fogger
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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I had a friend pull this out of a very high dollar Super Stocker while warming up at the track. He has gone back to lead acid. What brand? He said it was a Lithium Pro battery
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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Yeah, I could stand to drop about 40 lubs... getting old sucks
"Thermal runaway" with a lithium ion battery can be pretty scary. I don't know how commonly that type of battery design has issues in automotive applications, but it does have me questioning whether that's the direction I want to go
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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You can do it...I dropped 70lbs after a couple years ago. I definitely feel better.
As for a Lithium battery be very careful what you buy. Charging can be an issue, and running an alternator can be as well. All of them have a max voltage they can tolerate and need to take that into account with an alternator. We have had very good luck with Go Lithium batteries and alternators with regulators turned down to just under the for the battery
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A good lithium ion battery supposedly has a built-in battery management system that will prevent the conditions that cause the battery to catch on fire. Of course that's no guarantee that there will never be a problem. But that's why it's a good idea for us to keep track of what brand of batteries have the fire. I have been using anti-gravity batteries with no problem and they claim to have a superior battery management system, such that you can use the cars alternator to charge it for street driving. I have done just that on drag week.
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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I used to feel the need to carry weight around for my job, not necessarily round But upon being done I was headed there. I am no longer a military contractor and just felt there was no reason to be as big a guy. Plus I am old now I still go 220 but I am 6'3" still
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IMO Lithium Pros is one to avoid. I have seen to many who have had issues with them including me. Not fire issues with it just charging, battery life an unexpected failure as well as poor customer service.
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Re: Would you spend $500 to drop 35 lbs from car?
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Lightweight lithium ion battery... I use antigravity brand battery , Weighs 8 lbs and it is a group 24 size case. Battey and charger was $425 2 years ago. It runs my fan in between rounds with no issues . I like it and would buy another.
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Eh, I might go $500 to pick up a few hundredths. I try to qualify for the quick 16 at my local track and have missed it many times over the years by .02 or .03
I looked into 16V lithium and it was a lot more than 500 though. Till I bought a charger and different alternator I was way over $1000
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$500 for maybe .03 in ET? The rest of this "heads up" car would have to be maxed out. Bracket car? Not in this lifetime. Doug Agree. Just adjust the shoe polish. Last year, I had a battery crap out. Went to the parts store, and picked up a new one that dropped right in. Where are you getting a back up lithium at?
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YEP. Spent more than that on less. That's a fact. I've seen and heard too much to put lithium in mine. I don't even trust the little ones around the shop. We have 30lb total worth of AGMs in the Stockers. Hold up pretty well.
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I spent 300.00 to add 150 pounds. Removed my fiberglass doors and went back to stock doors with wind up windows.
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I spent 300.00 to add 150 pounds. Removed my fiberglass doors and went back to stock doors with wind up windows.
Why? Which car and what year are to doors for? Are they for sale?
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I spent 300.00 to add 150 pounds. Removed my fiberglass doors and went back to stock doors with wind up windows.
Why? Which car and what year are to doors for? Are they for sale? Sold them probably 5-6 years ago.(1970 duster) I made this car old man friendly. I pull in the trailer and climb out the window
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I winch mine in now, I bought and use a Super winch 4500 Lb rated single line winch now No climbing out of them for me I can't remember now how much it costs me to switch from the old heavy Crager SS steel chrome wheels the new lighter weight race Crager Super Tricks a long time ago Maybe near 500 for 4 back then including the longer lug nuts
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I thought about a Braille battery for the new project, but decided to move the existing lead-acid unit to the trunk and put the weight to good use. But adding a switch for it doesn't bug me.
As for driver weight: I've always been skinny - usually 160 lbs - so it's always seemed a curiosity to me when big round guys are worrying about car weight. I'm not being judgemental, it's just something I've never personally had, though my younger brother did get the "weight gene". But everyone I've known who's returned to a more proportionate weight has felt & performed better. I moved mine to the trunk (lead acid) and picked up exactly nothing. It did clean up under the hood though and the car starts better than it ever did.
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Nah.
I do like the idea of a lighter weight battery, but the value is not there for what I want to do.
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A good lithium ion battery supposedly has a built-in battery management system that will prevent the conditions that cause the battery to catch on fire. Of course that's no guarantee that there will never be a problem. But that's why it's a good idea for us to keep track of what brand of batteries have the fire. I have been using anti-gravity batteries with no problem and they claim to have a superior battery management system, such that you can use the cars alternator to charge it for street driving. I have done just that on drag week. The more digging into the subject, the less I have confidence in the original type of battery I was considering. Even though I know someone who has used the same model I was looking at successfully for the last couple of years in the same car, the manufacturer specifically says to use only with a charging system of below what I know his and my cars put out. I don't know if he's playing with fire (literally), but I won't. The lithium ion batteries that look to have built-in management systems aren't in the $500 range, either. The comparable AntiGravity model is $950 for a 30 lb weight savings, so the cost-per-pound just got doubled by looking at a more reliable option. Hmmm... not at this time.
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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BTW who sells a $500 lithium battery? FWIW we switched the Vette to a lithium last year to loose weight. We only had a 22lb Odessey ATV battery in the car. But when we went to the Lithium we also removed the 120amp alternator and the cables and wiring to it. It wa also a change to 16V from 12V. We saved about 28lbs...
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XS Power; they have "racing" batteries that are way more expensive, but I was looking the XV series of lightweight stock-replacement batteries: https://4xspower.com/collections/xv-automotiveThey state no more than 150A charging system, but a 6.4 Challenger/Charger has a 220A system. There's a guy w/ another Challenger 1320 who has been using one since 2021, but...
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
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Interesting, yeah their race batteries are substantially more for sure.
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i have not read the whole thing here, BUT YES i would sure spend 500 or more for 35lb weight savings !!!
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