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Holley running EXTREMELY rich #3221362
03/19/24 08:54 AM
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Hey gang...

Car: 71 440 six pack Challenger RT
Situation: The motor is idling EXTREMELY rich, black smoke out the exhaust and running really rough at idle. The outboard carbs have been disconnected to eliminate them. None of the 3 carbs has fuel flowing out the booster ventures at idle which typically means high float level. Metering block fuel/air mixture screws only about 1 turn out. My gut says the new power valve from a basic rebuild kit is bad. The car was running fine earlier, so the ignition and timing haven't changed.


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Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: hemi68charger] #3221370
03/19/24 09:15 AM
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I agree w/ the power valve being bad.


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Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: hemi68charger] #3221381
03/19/24 10:13 AM
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Pull a vacuum test to see if if it holds.

Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3221450
03/19/24 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I agree w/ the power valve being bad.
Maybe scope up
I've seen the power valve gaskets kink and cause the same thing rant scope


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Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: Cab_Burge] #3221544
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I agree w/ the power valve being bad.
Maybe scope up
I've seen the power valve gaskets kink and cause the same thing rant scope
Yep, been there done that. Check that gasket.


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Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: rickraw] #3221596
03/20/24 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickraw
Pull a vacuum test to see if if it holds.
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Have you checked vacuum at idle? What rating power valve is in there? Maybe there's not enough vacuum at idle to hold it closed.

Re: Holley running EXTREMELY rich [Re: fbs63] #3221599
03/20/24 07:59 AM
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If the valve is open because of too little vacuum it won't put anymore fuel in to the engine. That just allows more fuel for the main circuit (through the booster) A ruptured power valve diaphragm, or bad gasket will pull fuel directly into the intake from the bowl.







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