Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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12/13/23 10:42 AM
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Wow GY3 - What are the respective 60 / 660 ET & MPH for those different 1/4 passes? Had to watch this "for informational purposes only", naturally --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rc5Og8J_4U
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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12/14/23 02:05 PM
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Misc thoughts - I like the idea of a controller to feed it in more gradually - still feels like something that I could use only in the 1/8 for WOT runs - suppose the option is there for going from 275/60 to 295/65 to lower the RPM on the big end - not only are the ring lands "up there" at .175" down from the piston deck, but the gaps aren't intended for big spray either since they're .020/.024 IIRC
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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12/15/23 08:29 AM
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I have this controller: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nos-25974nosIt's reasonably priced as far as electronics go, and it's working flawlessly. I used it at Roadkill Nights to ramp in the nitrous over ~1 second. It can control 2 solenoids independently or in unison depending on how you set it up, can use any type of WOT switch as an input, will output a signal to a retard box, and will read RPM from your tach signal so you can have an RPM window on nitrous activation- you don't want to spray it at too low of an RPM, or on the rev limiter. You can also shut the solenoids off after a certain amount of time with the ramps, so if you only wanted to spray to the 8th and shut it off you could do it without having to do anything in the middle of the run, the controller would handle it for you. I added a transducer for bottle pressure later- you don't need the Holley specific one, it just has to have the correct range. As GY3 mentioned though- you see the most benefit from spraying as much as you can immediately if the track can take it. My car picks up 1.1-1.2 seconds on a 73 jet (around a 180 shot).
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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12/15/23 09:52 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't worry about your current ring gaps for just a 150 shot. I also wouldn't worry about a controller for just a 150 shot. At most, use a digiset timer to delay activation.
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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https://www.robietherobot.com/nitrousjetcalculator.htmHere is a site that has a lot of good information including the temp to bottle pressure ratio. I used to use a small gauge on the bottle (that was junk) and plan on putting a larger gauge and shutoff next to the drivers seat eventually, (getting the pressure off the solenoids as soon as possible prolongs solenoid life) but for now I shoot the bottle with a Fluke IR temp gun and that tells me the temp and pressure the bottle is at. I shoot for 91* typically. I do have the pressure switch that shuts off the heater but still like to monitor temp/pressure. At the very bottom of the page it has a jet chart that tells you what power to expect (if the plate isn't a restriction) out of a certain size jet. It seems to be pretty accurate in my experience.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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12/15/23 12:02 PM
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More misc thoughts... Current converter may be a little tight for NA, but won't know for sure until track results A "true" 150 shot would push things to 830-850 HP based on last engine dyno tests; good thing the 8.75 has been replaced by the Strange S-60 This could be a lot of fun... or a really bad idea
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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More misc thoughts... Current converter may be a little tight for NA, but won't know for sure until track results A "true" 150 shot would push things to 830-850 HP based on last engine dyno tests; good thing the 8.75 has been replaced by the Strange S-60 This could be a lot of fun... or a really bad idea Only unless you get stupid it with it - I ran a lot of nitrous back in the late 80's and early 90's - three stages with two fogger systems and 1 plate system under the carbs - yeah I got stupid with it more than once and paid for it - If you use the jet-able plate system start small work your way up - I always suggest you have a separate fuel pump for the nitrous and use a good controller! it can get real addicting with horsepower in a bottle!
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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I have sprayed 250 shots on numerous bone stock vehicles over the years with just backing off timing and good fuel. Never blown up an engine to this day. Even on nitrous.
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Re: Entry-level low HP N2O kits?
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Just because it sounds like a bad idea doesn't mean it won't be a good time.
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