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Battery materials sourced from coal #3192268 11/20/23 07:50 PM 11/20/23 07:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL.	'Battery material innovator X-Batt has partnered with Consol Innovations, an offshoot of Consol Energy, to fast-track their coal-based anode technology. The two companies announced Tuesday October 11 their C-Batt Innovations joint venture, formed to push forward the development of battery materials sourced from coal. Since collaborating with the United States’ Department of Energy in 2020, X-Batt has integrated coal into its unique, low-cost resin method, producing efficient, domestically sourced anode materials.' www.mining.com/x-batt-and-consol-collaborate-on-coal-based-battery-tech/ Master, again and still

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3192330 11/20/23 11:55 PM 11/20/23 11:55 PM
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TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,315 Omaha Ne	thanks for shring, however the big boys pushing the L/I batteries will likely crush it along with a bi tof help from US DRILLING FOR LITHIUM LINKY www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3192368 11/21/23 09:03 AM 11/21/23 09:03 AM
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360view Moparts resident spammer 3 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,162 USA	Oren Atkins Jr, who once ran Ashland Oil, has discovered that one of his metallurgical coal mines out in the Western USA has a huge deposit of rare earth minerals along with its $185 per ton coal. During the “Carboniferous Geologic Age” volcanoes were spewing out unusual ash. I have been wondering about that since 1975. Almost all of my original thoughts about that have been proven wrong headed. Can you believe that the land we call North America was down in the Pacific Ocean, East of where Ecuador is now, and tilted so that a line from New Brunswick Canada through Baja California ran along the Equator of the Earth? Winds today blow generally West to East across the USA, but back then winds blew generally East to West? Molds that today commonly consume dead plants did not yet exist back then, so that tree leaves and wood that died would fall to wet swampy ground but not ever rot - creating vast beds of coal ? But “ice ages” would come and go, putting beds of other rock types between the coal seams? Dragonflys were so big they had 4 foot wingspans? The earth would mysteriously crack and vast rivers of Lava would flow out in flat sheets for thousands of years - never creating high Volcanic like cones we are used to associating with Lava today? These flowing lava beds would set both coal seams and forests afire - burning more “fossil fuels” naturally back then than man has burned in the last 200 years - or in the last 4000 years if you count the recently discovered the human made coal mine in China from 3600 years ago.

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: 360view] #3192386 11/21/23 11:04 AM 11/21/23 11:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL.	www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/effect-...ly-underestimated-in-climate-projections Master, again and still

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3192428 11/21/23 02:42 PM 11/21/23 02:42 PM
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TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,315 Omaha Ne	Global warming? My thought / questions If one goes back to say 1960, How many street lights were there? How many homes and businesses were there? How many were air conditioned? How many humans were there? How many cars were in the US alone? What was the average operating temperature of those cars vs today Don't forget to throw automatic transmissions in there None had catalytic converters How big and long (timewise) were the traffic jams in major metro areas compared to today? How many flights a day did the airlines make? Now fast forward to 2023 and ask the same questions. All of the above things generate HEAT along with many other unmentioned sources. Where does that heat go? I'll be interested to the responses as it is something I've wondered for a long time www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: TJP] #3192620 11/22/23 02:15 PM 11/22/23 02:15 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,366 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,366 north of coder	you forgot cow exhaust.................

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: moparx] #3192630 11/22/23 02:43 PM 11/22/23 02:43 PM
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ChryCoGuy master C Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,321 o	I think the elephant in the room for all climate change conversations is the earth's population, which has exploded in recent decades. That, and countries around the world improving their standard of living so that all of those new people want/need creature comforts and conveniences. Not that you can blame them, we all want heating/cooling, stoves, refrigerators, vehicles, etc. etc. etc. For some reason economies around the world only seem to function on growth in order to remain successful. So everybody is increasing populations either by births in more populous countries, or immigration in other countries where the birth rate is down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that more people using energy = more pollution/heat/carbon/whatever, that's said to be the cause of global warming. However, humans seem to generally think that we should never ever limit birthrates, and instead we have the hubris to believe that we can create some sort of technological solution, like electric cars, carbon capturing, etc etc etc. Meanwhile, population continues to grow and we will soon be facing food/water insecurity (for those of us who aren't yet), resources dwindling, etc etc. Don't believe me? Here are the world's population numbers for every decade since 1960: 1960 - 3,019,233,434 1970 - 3,695,390,336 1980 - 4,444,007,706 1990 - 5,316,175,862 2000 - 6,148,898,975 2010 - 6,985,603,105 2020 - 7,840,952,880 2023 - 8,045,311,447 I think most of us on this board were around in 1980. Did you ever imagine that the world's population would almost double in the next 43 years? And we're wondering why our climate/environment is taking a beating? Not to mention all of the animal species that are disappearing at an alarming rate.

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: ChryCoGuy] #3192663 11/22/23 04:37 PM 11/22/23 04:37 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,755 A collage of whims	^^^ Valid points. For one thing, the world's economies are basically built on consumerism, so an expanding market is required for any kind of affordability. Another thing is that the 3rd world and/or developing countries are typically not as concerned with the environment as the leading Euro and North American nations. There's also the geopolitical aspect of birthrates, for certain ideologies/religions - essentially the acquisition of power through population count. Nevertheless, the notion of batteries being made in part from coal has the aroma if irony, no ? As the old Pogo comic strip opined decades ago, in contemplating humanity: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: ChryCoGuy] #3192689 11/22/23 06:27 PM 11/22/23 06:27 PM
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MarkZ Worthy Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,405 Michigan	Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy I think the elephant in the room for all climate change conversations is the earth's population, which has exploded in recent decades. That, and countries around the world improving their standard of living so that all of those new people want/need creature comforts and conveniences. Not that you can blame them, we all want heating/cooling, stoves, refrigerators, vehicles, etc. etc. etc. For some reason economies around the world only seem to function on growth in order to remain successful. So everybody is increasing populations either by births in more populous countries, or immigration in other countries where the birth rate is down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that more people using energy = more pollution/heat/carbon/whatever, that's said to be the cause of global warming. However, humans seem to generally think that we should never ever limit birthrates, and instead we have the hubris to believe that we can create some sort of technological solution, like electric cars, carbon capturing, etc etc etc. Meanwhile, population continues to grow and we will soon be facing food/water insecurity (for those of us who aren't yet), resources dwindling, etc etc. Don't believe me? Here are the world's population numbers for every decade since 1960: 1960 - 3,019,233,434 1970 - 3,695,390,336 1980 - 4,444,007,706 1990 - 5,316,175,862 2000 - 6,148,898,975 2010 - 6,985,603,105 2020 - 7,840,952,880 2023 - 8,045,311,447 I think most of us on this board were around in 1980. Did you ever imagine that the world's population would almost double in the next 43 years? And we're wondering why our climate/environment is taking a beating? Not to mention all of the animal species that are disappearing at an alarming rate. It's tapering off. Most of the world is under replacement rate and the areas that are well above it are known for instability. 1987 Fifth Avenue - 512/518/D60

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3192705 11/22/23 07:36 PM 11/22/23 07:36 PM
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DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL.	Let's be clear; although diminished, the American coal industry is still functioning. Here in downstate Illinois, we have far fewer mines with far fewer employees. But the production is spectacular due to long walls. But much of that coal is going to the Mississippi river and then overseas. Other countries can burn our coal and reap the financial benefits, but not us. And the impact on the atmosphere is the same, whether we prosper with coal or whether our adversaries do. There is much more to this foolishness, but nobody really cares. Certainly not enough to start reigning in the foolishness. The greenies and their demorat allies have our energy policies all screwed up. And that screws each and every one of us every single day. And it's getting worse by the day. Biden and the demorats have got to go. But it is already too late to save many parts of our fossil fuel industry. When the Chinese take over, they will be very happy that the dems saved so many valuable resources for them. Master, again and still

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3192709 11/22/23 08:04 PM 11/22/23 08:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota !	Here is a Garage sourced from Car batteries The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: bigdad] #3192710 11/22/23 08:05 PM 11/22/23 08:05 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota !	more The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: ChryCoGuy] #3193488 11/26/23 08:21 PM 11/26/23 08:21 PM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,233 nowhere	Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy However, humans seem to generally think that we should never ever limit birthrates, and instead we have the hubris to believe that we can create some sort of technological solution, like electric cars, carbon capturing, etc etc etc. Meanwhile, population continues to grow and we will soon be facing food/water insecurity (for those of us who aren't yet), resources dwindling, etc etc. They have been spewing this since at least the 70's. Guess what they are wrong and we have found numerous solutions to the so called problems you regurgitate. Those that believe increasing populations are an issue have now resorted to doing everything they can to eliminate/minimize/ban the solutions that have been successful. The true test of how much you actually believe this crap would be you doing something personal about it. You're still breathing, contributing to the problem aren't you? Just like the global warming charlatans buying million dollar mansions on the beach.

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: bigdad] #3193522 11/26/23 11:45 PM 11/26/23 11:45 PM
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TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,315 Omaha Ne	Originally Posted by bigdad Here is a Garage sourced from Car batteries Seen these before and love it. Talk about repurposing while saving the environment ( no I'm not a greenie) www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: TJP] #3193523 11/26/23 11:45 PM 11/26/23 11:45 PM
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A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,500 N.E. OHIO, USA	Fortunately there was little or no pollution in my hometown just outside of Pittsburgh back in the day life was so much cleaner and better then

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: bigdad] #3193525 11/26/23 11:50 PM 11/26/23 11:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,500 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 Too Many Posts
A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,500 N.E. OHIO, USA	Probably has shallow well water too

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3193560 11/27/23 08:30 AM 11/27/23 08:30 AM
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360view Moparts resident spammer 3 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,162 USA	There is an article in Saturday WSJ about a very old Zinc underground mine outside Clarksville TN that is planning to upgrade their processing plant to recover the “waste” Gallium and Germanium that is present in their Zinc ore. Remember when coal miners were told told to “learn to code” because no mining skills would be needed in the future ? Just the amount of Copper needed for the world’s “clean energy future” boggles the mind. If you ever visit “Copper Hill TN” be sure to see the photograph in the museum where SO2 gas from the Smelter killed all the plants in a huge circle surrounding the smelter exhaust stacks.

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: 360view] #3193569 11/27/23 09:46 AM 11/27/23 09:46 AM
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Mr PotatoHead Half Baked Joined: Aug 2019 Posts: 9,434 Super Spudsville	Seems were just gonna trade one set of problems for another down the road. I noticed exon is way deep into it all now for the liquid lithium. A bit off topic but I think this all could of been done in a bit softer way vs telling the common people how much we do not know (but do) in the ways that our days of excess and inefficiency needs to change. Im building a new house on my one farm thats a third the square footage as my current. My new shop will have 40% less area to heat and cool vs the one I built in 1980. But in the end I guess they are getting what they want and thats people to use less energy but I am simply doing it to be less dependent on the people telling us what to do. STOP POTATO HATE!

Re: Battery materials sourced from coal [Re: DaveRS23] #3193573 11/27/23 10:24 AM 11/27/23 10:24 AM
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DaveRS23 OP Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,036 Benton, IL.	Again: The country that harnessed the atom and put a man on the moon can't burn coal and other fossil fuels cleanly?!?!? It could be done. The ONLY blockade is politics. LIBERAL politics. Only liberal logic would create an energy policy where we leave our massive fossil fuel reserves in the ground (except to ship overseas to our competitors) while importing wind and sun production units from our competitors/enemies. Master, again and still

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