Re: New style rockers
[Re: jwb123]
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All I know is people using ultra high lift cams use those so they don't have to think about the cup hitting the rocker. I think they use pushrod oiling in that application. Anything I put together has under .700" lift so that's not an issue for me. And of course it's too complicated for an old geezer like me. I like the stock oiling. KISS is my motto.
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Re: New style rockers
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The chinesium $200 ebay roller rockers also use a ball-ball pushrod.
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Re: New style rockers
[Re: jwb123]
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Jesel Pro series rockers are available with either cup-end or ball-end adjusters
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weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
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pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: New style rockers
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If the price is similar, i would go with ball end pushrods, cup adjuster rockers. Thwy allow more choice, allowing a more radical lift cam and stand up to very high spring loads if they are good parts. Ppl
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Re: New style rockers
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Getting ready to build a 440 engine. Been building Mopar's for a long time, and all the engines I have built before with adjustable rockers used a rocker arm with a ball adjuster and a pushrod with a cup. I am seeing a lot of rockers now for the 440's with a cup in the rocker like a chevy engine, and then they would use a chevy style pushrod. I also noticed the cup in the rocker arm style the push rod cup is pressure fed while the old ball and cup style has a squirter hole giving it splash lube. It also seems the Chevy style rocker would have a little better geometry as well as better lube. The ball style rocker makes the push rod swing through a bigger arc than a cup style. Anybody used the new style rockers on a Mopar? Stock Mopar hydraulic rockers have a cup in the rocker. Any thoughts? Any thoughts? Your question is too general to give complete advice. If you have a bunch of valvetrain related questions and help deciding what you need then Mike at B3R is good and carries many products. Geometry is designed into a rocker regardless of the adjuster. Depending on the head, cam, RPM etc there's usually more than one choice that should work. Think of the valvetrain as a system.
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Re: New style rockers
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440 Source has released their version of the ductile iron rockers 274.99 a set.
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Re: New style rockers
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Yes, sometimes engine builders switch over to ball-ball pushrods although it isn't an requirement. I've used both and there are advantages and disadvantages. My old 514 race engine used Jesel rocker arms with cups in the pushrods, but the cups had to be a special order size to fit the Jesel rocker arms.
The pictures of the stuff you've used/made never ceases to amaze me, who made those pushrods ?
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Re: New style rockers
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440 Source has released their version of the ductile iron rockers 274.99 a set. Went to look at those and saw they have also "cloned" Comp's Pro Magnum bushed steel roller rockers for about $600
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: New style rockers
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I just saw those too. They look interesting. If anyone has used them,, feedback would be appreciated. I use the comp pro magnums. I like the rocker, but the shafts are starting to wear.......... 440 Source has released their version of the ductile iron rockers 274.99 a set. Went to look at those and saw they have also "cloned" Comp's Pro Magnum bushed steel roller rockers for about $600
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