Single carb options for NSS class
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07/25/23 10:08 PM
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fourgearsavoy
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Can you run a single Holley in NSS now? I have an Edelbrock Thunder series 800 that I can run but the car has a nicely tuned QF 1050 on it right now. Thanks Gus
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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I will assume that you want to race NMCA NSS at Norwalk next month. NMCA allows maximum of 1.750 throttle blades. NMCA 2023 NSS rulesedit: treed by Max
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
[Re: dvw]
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Thanks guys See you at 42, I'm racing my Savoy for the first time in 3 years. Gus
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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Mine is just an old stick shift barn find that I street drive and like to make a few passes once in a while. Gus
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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07/26/23 01:46 PM
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I sat at the table when the NSS class was formed. The whole idea at that time was full bodied 1962 to 1965 big blocks with two four barrels. Big three GM, Ford Mopar. Group started doing match races, index racing came later. I am really surprised how long the class has lasted and how it has grown. I guess for the fans they don't care if it has one or two four barrels. But as a former racer in the class, as far as consistency goes, give me a single four barrel any day. One of the reasons we started the class we were just turned off by the way bracket racing changed racing. Delay boxes, trans brakes, etc. So we wanted to do it the old way with no electronics and pay homage to the cars that started super stock racing. So it is still NSS racing, lot of different year cars have been added, lot of different combos been accepted. But you need to keep the cars unique as possible, otherwise you are just bracket racing old cars. . NSS racing is really a great class and we appreciate you guys setting the foundation for us that are racing it today. No nitrous. No delay boxes. Just car and driver and gas pedal. Real drag racing.
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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07/27/23 03:57 PM
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We run NSS down in Texas. I have never understood the carb rules for any nss group. We can stroke engines, use the best heads, valves, valvetrains , transmissions superstock in the day would have lost their minds over, converters that would have shocked their bones , clutch set up they could not have dreamed of . Cams- well, they had nothing approaching cam design of today , machining just wasn't there as it is today. Fiberglass and carbon fibre everywhere . Yet carbs are required to be stuck in the 60's - makes no sense to me. With todays carb technology we can get more power with less fuel and, more consistent af across cylinders than ever before- seems we would WANT top do this and point the government to our efforts to participate in helping with carbon emissions while still putting on good racing with nostalgia cars. Intake manifolds are far better , ignitions are better and, we use all the best equipment there.
I ,,, just,,, dont,,, get ,,, it. How on Gods little green earth does good carbs ruin nss when nothing else on our cars , performance wise , safety wise , is true to the Super stock era of yesteryear ? Just blows my mind.
But, to each their own , we follow the rules and have more money tied up in modding old carbs than new all billet custom carbs cost and, at 3 times the weight. Its hard running 5.90's in the heat with old , reworked stuff thats metal fatigued etc. This is the One area i feel all NSS groups make a mistake in. And, that opinion is worth exactly what it cost to read it !! hahahaha
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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07/27/23 04:36 PM
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Yep Al, makes no sense and, with the government breathing down our necks about carbon emissions, one would think we would use the best tools we have to show , as racers, we are putting forth efficient running race cars. Efficiency is power.
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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We run NSS down in Texas. I have never understood the carb rules for any nss group. We can stroke engines, use the best heads, valves, valvetrains , transmissions superstock in the day would have lost their minds over, converters that would have shocked their bones , clutch set up they could not have dreamed of . Cams- well, they had nothing approaching cam design of today , machining just wasn't there as it is today. Fiberglass and carbon fibre everywhere . Yet carbs are required to be stuck in the 60's - makes no sense to me. With todays carb technology we can get more power with less fuel and, more consistent af across cylinders than ever before- seems we would WANT top do this and point the government to our efforts to participate in helping with carbon emissions while still putting on good racing with nostalgia cars. Intake manifolds are far better , ignitions are better and, we use all the best equipment there.
I ,,, just,,, dont,,, get ,,, it. How on Gods little green earth does good carbs ruin nss when nothing else on our cars , performance wise , safety wise , is true to the Super stock era of yesteryear ? Just blows my mind.
But, to each their own , we follow the rules and have more money tied up in modding old carbs than new all billet custom carbs cost and, at 3 times the weight. Its hard running 5.90's in the heat with old , reworked stuff thats metal fatigued etc. This is the One area i feel all NSS groups make a mistake in. And, that opinion is worth exactly what it cost to read it !! hahahaha For what it is worth the carb rule is still in effect for all NHRA Stock and Super Stock cars. They must run the OEM carb, and they are much more of a stickler than NSS on the carb even having the right list numbers. And it is nostalgia super stock, that means the way they done it back then. And I agree some of the stuff that has creeped into the class I did not go along with, but it was still fun for all those years.
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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07/28/23 12:56 PM
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For what it is worth the carb rule is still in effect for all NHRA Stock and Super Stock cars. They must run the OEM carb, and they are much more of a stickler than NSS on the carb even having the right list numbers. And it is nostalgia super stock, that means the way they done it back then. And I agree some of the stuff that has creeped into the class I did not go along with, but it was still fun for all those years.
This is NOT class racing. Its a flipping bracket/index race. With basically no rules for the engine other than the stupid carb rule....So back in the day you could run a 600" bog block with an aftermarket block in your 65 Plymouth This comparison is like apples to brocollil. You wanna class race put your big boy pants on and class race. Quit pretending that NSS is ANYTHING like NHRA class racing .
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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I agree with Rusty M's take 100%...It is a stupid rule IMO, given what they DO allow to run in the class. Can build a 706" BB if one wanted hang carbon fiber body parts all over, run a modern wheel and tire combo run a large hoodscoop, a sheet metal intake with billet runners but you better not run a carb bigger than a 1.75 throttle blade and it better not be billet I hate the look of the stupid HUGE scoops that look like they were made on a sheetmetal brake. And the modern wheels take away from the original look of the cars in the 1960s. I would like to see them keep the looks of the cars on the track look like what we saw in the magazines (not the AFX or AWB cars). I could go for the AFX Hemi scoop that was taller at the front on the 64/65 B-body cars. How many spectators look under the hood and say, "That's not an original 3116 Holley on that Hemi crossram!"
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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07/28/23 05:19 PM
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I wish they allowed the late 60’s 340 cars in NSS They allow the 383 Darts and Barracuda’s, why not the 340’s? Just as legendary if not more so. In fact, definitely more so.
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Re: Single carb options for NSS class
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I believe “most” NSS racing organizations specify big blocks only.
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